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Truckmatt

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On board video recorders/dash cams?
« on: March 19, 2017, 09:55:12 AM »
I searched, but didn't find any discussion of these, so I'll start.
Recently FedEx required them in all trucks, ours were just installed.
Lane departure warnings (very annoying), overtaking warnings (which apparently send video), forward and driver facing cameras.
We were told by the boss, and the card that was left in the trucks, both said "absolutely no way for management to watch drivers, unless involved in an incident!"
I have been told by a source on the inside of the company that the boss has been watching recorded video of drivers, not involved in an incident.
Some drivers are covering them up, and boss commented on that.
I want to install a cam in the boss's office!
I have my own personal forward facing dash cam.
What do you all think? Invasion of privacy or useful tool?

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Re: On board video recorders/dash cams?
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2017, 04:04:51 AM »

Invasion of privacy or useful tool?

Both.

Trouble is the camera service provider determines what your boss sees.
And that would be an agreement between your company and the camera people.

I'm one who sees an inward facing camera as an invasion of my privacy.
Afterall, isn't 20-plus years and no accidents proof enough that I can do the required work without a concern? And be trusted?
But then again the carrier I'm leased to offers their owner-operators the option of outward-facing only or inward with voice recording.
I chose outward facing only and have a cover.

Problems can, and have occurred at international border crossings.
At one nameless crossing I have to use, there's absolutely no problem whatsoever.
But at another there are particular CBP officers who insist the camera be either off or covered - otherwise it becomes a time consuming trip through the VACIS machine and an inspection and de-van at the warehouse.
Even though the service provider my carrier uses tells us, and provides us with a letter, that CBP has no problem with the camera.

In the event of an accident they can be a great help with liability.
And that's one of the bigger reasons carriers are choosing them.

To drink the kool aid and follow the company line, if you're doing your job you should have nothing to worry about.

Just like the old tachograph cards years ago.
Been there, done that, have the T-shirt.
Those of us who used them long ago might have shown scorn upon them but they could be a great help at times of doubt.
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Re: On board video recorders/dash cams?
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2017, 07:16:00 PM »
Forward facing , no audio is sufficient.

Anything else is invasive.
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Re: On board video recorders/dash cams?
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2017, 07:30:13 AM »
Unless you own your own truck, there is nothing invasive about it.  The insurance companies are capitalizing on this, as well as the dashcam companies.  Now, if the truck driving community thinks trucking companies have office staff sitting around twidling their thumbs, just waiting to sit staff in front of screens to watch a driver go down the road on these cameras, you need a reality check.  Trucking companies are running their offices as lean as possible these days, because it affects their bottom line.

If you are doing everything you are supposed to, piloting someone else's investment, as well as someone else's freight, then who cares who watches!  If you are a driver who doesn't follow the rules, then this is just the babysitting tool I would want if I owned the truck and had you driving it.

We have cameras in our trucks, forward and driver facing.  We have the option to "alert" send clips of video to Safety and the DriveCam company should ain incident occur, otherwise, it records and tapes over/loops.  Those cams don't have a computer server room attached to it, so the storage on those devices are very minimal.

I think, just like a lot of other things in trucking, Driver's spread rumors and just don't get "it" and that's no different with these cameras.  They've covered our butt in a few accidents where 4-wheelers did dumb crap and caused an accident.

So I'm all for them.  Just last week I had a car pull out in front of me....I locked up the brakes and didn't hit them, all parties involved were just fine, business as usual.  But the camera blinked red to me, triggered a hard braking incident on my Qualcomm.  If the Safety Dept wanted to (and I don't know they did or didn't) they could see the Hard Braking Incident, and look at the camera video and see what happened.  I haven't heard a peep from them.  Maybe because they reviewed the video and realized they don't need to contact me.  They also can see, because of the Driver Facing cam, I was doing everything I should have been....paying attention, not eating/drinking...not on a phone, etc.

I do agree with Doug, 20+yrs safe driving should account for something...but anything could happen out there, cross our fingers, and if we can have an advantage against whoever we were involved in an accident with, or a close call...I'm all for it.

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Re: On board video recorders/dash cams?
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2017, 08:03:16 AM »
 8). X 2... Doug McKenzie, The Interpretation of Invasion of Privacy will be Bantied Around .. In My Past Life the Camera Idea was just being put on the Table.. Outward Facing and Sensors to Trigger @ Point of Impact.. But of Course with Cellphone Camera Technology allowing the FB World of Peeps , No End...lol.. The Daughters Car Insurance has a Sensor Device that Records her Driving Habits which they say will Discount her Car Insurance by 5%...lol..  Scam Scam ..lol...
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Re: On board video recorders/dash cams?
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2017, 07:24:28 PM »
8). X 2... Doug McKenzie, The Interpretation of Invasion of Privacy will be Bantied Around .. In My Past Life the Camera Idea was just being put on the Table.. Outward Facing and Sensors to Trigger @ Point of Impact.. But of Course with Cellphone Camera Technology allowing the FB World of Peeps , No End...lol.. The Daughters Car Insurance has a Sensor Device that Records her Driving Habits which they say will Discount her Car Insurance by 5%...lol..  Scam Scam ..lol...

The interpretation of privacy invasion .....

When it was announced by the carrier I lease to that cameras were going into company trucks 1st and owner-operators 2nd, I took a little bit of time to make an enquiry or two.

I have a step daughter who is a paralegal married to a criminal defence attorney.
Asking them my questions, they really couldn't tell me much about it but referred my question to a lawyer friend of their's who specialises in privacy matters.

Laws in Canada are different than those in the United States - witness drug screening.
In Canada, I was told, the inward facing camera is a "......grey area."
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Re: On board video recorders/dash cams?
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2017, 07:41:25 PM »
8). X 2... Doug McKenzie, The Interpretation of Invasion of Privacy will be Bantied Around .. In My Past Life the Camera Idea was just being put on the Table.. Outward Facing and Sensors to Trigger @ Point of Impact.. But of Course with Cellphone Camera Technology allowing the FB World of Peeps , No End...lol.. The Daughters Car Insurance has a Sensor Device that Records her Driving Habits which they say will Discount her Car Insurance by 5%...lol..  Scam Scam ..lol...

Think again on the Car Insurance Sensor Device.  I signed myself and my wife up for that, we have Liberty Mutual....our calculated percentage at the end of the 90day trial period lowered our insurance 25%.  Saving myself and my family money is no Scam.

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Re: On board video recorders/dash cams?
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2017, 09:25:26 AM »
I have 35+ years of driving with no "my fault" accidents (I have been hit from the rear and the side), and hold safe driving awards from companies that offered them,  so I don't need a babysitter.
I'm just waiting for the day when the boss, who had no trucking experience before buying this company (FedEx sub-contractor) last year, comes in and tries to tell me how I should drive.
I guess I'll be looking for another job then.

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Re: On board video recorders/dash cams?
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2017, 10:33:07 AM »
Laws in Canada are different than those in the United States - witness drug screening.
In Canada, I was told, the inward facing camera is a "......grey area."

10-4 "Grey Area"... 
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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2017, 04:53:07 PM »
One of the reasons photo radar was banned in Ontario was that it was considered an invasion of privacy to take a picture of the driver while on the road. It is the same reason only pictures of the rear of the vehicle are used on the 407 and by red light cameras. How is this any different? Do airlines or the railroads utilize cameras to watch their employees?

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Re: On board video recorders/dash cams?
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2017, 06:30:07 PM »
It seems to me that workers who have less political clout suffer more infringements of their rights (ie. monitoring, drug testing), have more of their existing legal rights not being enforced (ie. pay, safety, basic employment standards); and suffer punishments through arbitrary enforcement of the laws (DOT, Border security).

Big picture thought: If banking executives had to put up with what we do I *guarantee* you that the laws would be changed within a week. Speaking of banking executives, why don't we monitor them? Does anyone else remember how their criminally negligent activities nearly took the entire economy off the rails in 2008? How many people did that kill through suicides, drug overdoses and medical bills? What was that line in the Big Short? A 1% rise in unemployment kills 40,000 people/year. But I digress.

My point is that these new surveillance infringements seem to disproportionally affect workers and the poor. And in doing so they don't necessarily make us safer.

Point 2. Maybe safety isn't everything. Maybe there's a point at which surveillance makes us docile serfs, rather than free citizens. Maybe there's a point where we should say, we accept the risks of not being monitored, but we'd rather live as free people.

Or maybe my cough medicine is kicking in.
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Re: On board video recorders/dash cams?
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2017, 07:21:10 PM »
Oso seems riled. :o



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Re: On board video recorders/dash cams?
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2017, 07:57:28 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2017, 09:25:37 PM »
Hahahaha! Those made me laugh.

No, not really upset. But as I started writing my mind started wandering. I do highly recommend the movie The Big Short as a) it's really funny, and b) it drives home the difference in the rules that govern us, and the bigwigs.
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Re: On board video recorders/dash cams?
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2017, 05:08:18 AM »
 Me thinks the cameras have very little to do with driver safety, it's mostly about insurance companies, liability, and who might be blamed in the event of an incident.
 Safety is just a buzz word used to promote and justify the installation of cameras in order to recieve a discount on insurance, while at the same time selling, promoting and forcing new technology on society.
 
 If there were cameras in the trucks I drove, the company might have been charged with making illegal xxx movies, if the authorities ever got hold of the videos!
 I was authorized to carry passengers, and nobody told me I had to stop the truck if my gal friends wanted to "fool around", so who's to blame?
 When the officer passed me and saw my girlfriend practically on top of me, he pulled me over and asked me why I wasn't using both hands.
 I told him I needed one hand to steer the truck. ::)
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