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The 9800i - not in the US though :(
« on: May 12, 2015, 07:46:58 AM »
Saw this is available in South Africa...I think it would do well here in North America, yes?


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The 9800i - not in the US though :(
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Re: The 9800i - not in the US though :(
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2015, 08:31:43 AM »
 ;) Who knows ?? My Query then, Why Did Schneider National get rid of their International COE's Then ??Schneider's have the Buying Ability surely it could have stayed on the North American Market... Just Saying.  8)
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Re: The 9800i - not in the US though :(
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2015, 08:33:04 AM »
Looks very old fashioned.  :)

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Re: The 9800i - not in the US though :(
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2015, 11:29:54 AM »
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What's wrong with that? RETRO is cool...

Appearances it much like a modern day TRANSTAR, all over again?

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Re: The 9800i - not in the US though :(
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2015, 06:13:04 AM »
The "updated" old fashioned looks don't work for me here. The old IH COE looks were definitely OK in my book - but this new version has been updated with a new grille that just doesn't work with the rest of the cab. But hey, that's just me.  ;)

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Re: The 9800i - not in the US though :(
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2015, 06:21:29 AM »
Can see the effect their style-guys were attempting. Emphasize the "flair-out as you go up" thing. But, with the straight up & down cab-profile established by the sides & mirrors, it ain't working.

But on the positive side, it doesn't look like a refrigerator.
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2015, 05:53:37 PM »

I was always a little surprised International never attempted to bring the 9800i to the US, like Freightliner has with the Argosy. Now, I know cabovers are only a niche market over here, but it seemed Schneider was still keen on buying cabovers as they tested a set of Argosies after IH ended 9800 production in the US. On the surface, the truck looks the same, and the mechanicals, other than emissions equipment, seem to be the same as over here. It would be neat to see a new one working for SNI, though I doubt the drivers would be too happy with it. Then again, the last generation of IH cabover, the 9800, had a flat floor, so you never know.

As for its styling, I kind of like the simple design, maybe spruce it up by integrating the front grille all the way down to the headlights if anything.

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Re: The 9800i - not in the US though :(
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2015, 07:27:50 PM »

I was always a little surprised International never attempted to bring the 9800i to the US, like Freightliner has with the Argosy. Now, I know cabovers are only a niche market over here, but it seemed Schneider was still keen on buying cabovers as they tested a set of Argosies after IH ended 9800 production in the US. On the surface, the truck looks the same, and the mechanicals, other than emissions equipment, seem to be the same as over here. It would be neat to see a new one working for SNI, though I doubt the drivers would be too happy with it. Then again, the last generation of IH cabover, the 9800, had a flat floor, so you never know.

As for its styling, I kind of like the simple design, maybe spruce it up by integrating the front grille all the way down to the headlights if anything.

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Re: The 9800i - not in the US though :(
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2015, 07:44:53 PM »

And I heard that J.B. Hunt had a lot of problems with those Argosies, which is why they stopped buying them early. Things ranging all the way from engine issues down to the slide-out steps not working. Granted, these were very early models of the Argosy, but after that they decided the Century was the way to go. As for SNI, I know they used a few Argosy daycabs on a beer delivery account through about 2005 or '06 but they were not very big on the full bunk Argosy for OTR use.

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Re: The 9800i - not in the US though :(
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2015, 01:28:40 PM »
I'd glady take one of those. Especially since International was first to offer a modern cab over with a flat floor and no engine tunnel.
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Re: The 9800i - not in the US though :(
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2015, 03:06:34 AM »
You cannot fit a modern engine in those.
So in the USA that would mean selling then as gliders.
Sales would be to low to be worth the effort.

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Re: The 9800i - not in the US though :(
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2015, 08:36:19 AM »

I know the current generation Argosy, at least according to the Australian specs, can take both a Detroit DD15 and Cummins ISX as its powerplant, but US emissions requirements are different. In fact, the emissions change in 2007 is why Freightliner removed the Argosy from its main lineup in the first place. They could not find a cost-effective way to re-engineer the truck to fit the new equipment. However, the niche market raised enough demand for FL to offer it again as a glider kit. Sales were quite slow for awhile as most dealerships had no idea they could still get one, but now DTNA has added it to their official glider kit brochure and a handful of companies have purchased them.
However, I agree that International would most likely not be willing to spend the $ to bring the 9800i over here. The last time it was offered here was 1998, and the cab design has not changed all that much. US specifications have changed quite a bit since then, and I doubt they would be able to adapt essentially a 17 year old design to only sell to a small market.

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Re: The 9800i - not in the US though :(
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2015, 02:09:13 PM »
Let's put it another way.

In a conversation to DAF staff the subject off bringing DAF's to the USA came up.
Bearing in mind they have the Paccar MX engine,so maintenance and so on wouldn't be a problem as you have the same driveline in USA COE's.
And since EURO 6 and EPA '10 are as good as the same ,again no problem there.
BUT still they will not do it.
So it would cost them no R&D money and still they see the market for selling them as to small to be worth the effort.

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Re: The 9800i - not in the US though :(
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2015, 05:29:40 AM »
;) Who knows ?? My Query then, Why Did Schneider National get rid of their International COE's Then ??Schneider's have the Buying Ability surely it could have stayed on the North American Market... Just Saying.  8)

They gave a couple reasons at the time. Since all the other makes (except Freightliner) had exited the cabover market there wasn't a lot of competition to keep International honest on price and updating the product. Related to that, even with Schneider's business the volume of 9800s wasn't really enough to keep production and development going. (My opinion, even if SNI had soldiered on buying 9800s they still would have been discontinued when the new emissions rules came out). Last. but definitely not least, drivers didn't want to drive them. Recruiting was harder, guys would try to break the truck in the hopes they'd get a conventional, it was a constant source of complaints among drivers, and the used trucks had almost no resale value (which is why so many of them were exported).


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