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Ray F

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‘Re-packaging’ trucks to save fuel
« on: May 25, 2011, 08:07:05 PM »
Very Interesting !!!!  :o :-\

http://fleetowner.com/management/news/repackaging-trucks-save-fuel-0525/

BTW Whoever Designed those trucks in that picture, Must Have been Looking At Hot Wheels Trucks  :-\

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‘Re-packaging’ trucks to save fuel
« on: May 25, 2011, 08:07:05 PM »

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Re: ‘Re-packaging’ trucks to save fuel
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2011, 12:53:54 AM »
"For example, one of West’s students experimented with shortening the hood on a conventional tractor, moving the engine farther back over the steer axle. Not only did this reduce the surface area of the truck, thus lowering aerodynamic drag and improving fuel economy, but positioning the engine this way allowed for weight reductions as less frame support for the engine was needed. This further added to fuel efficiency gains."

You mean, a snub-nose tractor? Yup, never seen a design like that before... ::)

From the small photo at the top of the page, I don't think there's much driver retention with that design...

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Re: ‘Re-packaging’ trucks to save fuel
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2011, 04:35:49 AM »
"For example, one of West’s students experimented with shortening the hood on a conventional tractor, moving the engine farther back over the steer axle. Not only did this reduce the surface area of the truck, thus lowering aerodynamic drag and improving fuel economy, but positioning the engine this way allowed for weight reductions as less frame support for the engine was needed. This further added to fuel efficiency gains."

You mean, a snub-nose tractor? Yup, never seen a design like that before... ::)

From the small photo at the top of the page, I don't think there's much driver retention with that design...

Troy.

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Re: ‘Re-packaging’ trucks to save fuel
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2011, 12:04:41 PM »

You mean, a snub-nose tractor? Yup, never seen a design like that before... ::)

From the small photo at the top of the page, I don't think there's much driver retention with that design...


 

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My thoughts exactly. The Paymaster was an innovative solution to the tighter national length and weight limits of its day.  Given that post STAA you effectively have unlimited tractor length in the US market I don't see this catching on. Heck Argosy puttered along as a low volume niche product until the redesign costs for 07+ emissions killed it.

The "bling coefficient" of the truck is only part of the driver recruitment and retention equation. Hometime, compensation and work environment are all factors in additional to equipment.  At one end of the spectrum of drivers you have guys like me who are quite happy roll in their Brig, 320 or A9513.  On the other end you have guys who drive an ungoverned PimpRydeTM from Western Distributors for weak hometime and below average pay.

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Re: ‘Re-packaging’ trucks to save fuel
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2011, 12:15:59 PM »
"For example, one of West’s students experimented with shortening the hood on a conventional tractor, moving the engine farther back over the steer axle. Not only did this reduce the surface area of the truck, thus lowering aerodynamic drag and improving fuel economy, but positioning the engine this way allowed for weight reductions as less frame support for the engine was needed. This further added to fuel efficiency gains."

You mean, a snub-nose tractor? Yup, never seen a design like that before... ::)

From the small photo at the top of the page, I don't think there's much driver retention with that design...

Troy.
I was thinking Cab Over (updated version of a PB 372). What's funny though is many class 8 trucks already have a shorter BBC than 1/2 ton pick-ups (heck a standard cab Ranger is about 110" BBC).

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Re: ‘Re-packaging’ trucks to save fuel
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2011, 01:24:35 PM »
If the pay's the same what's the difference?

Depends on the driver, I would imagine.

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Re: ‘Re-packaging’ trucks to save fuel
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2011, 01:29:54 PM »
My take on this is that trucks as we know them will change in the future, and not that far off.
The next 5 to 10 years will change to face of trucking more than changes in the 70's through the 90's.

Fuel use, emissions and other regulations will mandate the engineering and thus the styling.   

I think we should enjoy what is here today, as it will be changing - it 10 years we'll be looking back at photo's saying "gosh, I haven't seen a W900 or 379 in years."

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Re: ‘Re-packaging’ trucks to save fuel
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2011, 02:12:29 PM »
Yes the traditional brick hood W900/389 may go the way of the Dodo. However you can still get a lot of styling into an aerodynamic truck.  The ProStar is proof that you can make a modern aerodynamic truck with historical Élan.

I think the long haul truck of 2021 will be along the lines of a ProStar or T660 with full aerodynamic kit on tractor and trailer.

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Re: ‘Re-packaging’ trucks to save fuel
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2011, 02:43:25 PM »
I think the low-drag, hyper-aerodynamic trucks will be seen in the highway operations in the next decade or so, but, in vocational operations it might be longer before they're seen. Ground clearance needs are a big factor that will effect the fuel mileage, along with the irregularity of airflow over machines, logs, and vocational-type loads. Not to say vocational trucks won't become more aerodynamic, but, not to the degree of highway trucks.

There's something depressing about knowing that in 20 years you could be sitting at a truck stop, and the conversation begins with "When I got into this business we had to hook our own trailers and there was this big old stick coming out of the middle of the floor that you moved around to get going..."

Or maybe I'm just stubborn and pessimistic...

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Re: ‘Re-packaging’ trucks to save fuel
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2011, 05:22:46 PM »
Very Interesting !!!!  :o :-\

http://fleetowner.com/management/news/repackaging-trucks-save-fuel-0525/

BTW Whoever Designed those trucks in that picture, Must Have been Looking At Hot Wheels Trucks  :-\

I guess they've never heard of Luigi Collani....

He was the Italian gent who designed those "praying mantis" looking things about 20 years ago.

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Ray F

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Re: ‘Re-packaging’ trucks to save fuel
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2011, 05:27:47 PM »
Very Interesting !!!!  :o :-\

http://fleetowner.com/management/news/repackaging-trucks-save-fuel-0525/

BTW Whoever Designed those trucks in that picture, Must Have been Looking At Hot Wheels Trucks  :-\

I guess they've never heard of Luigi Collani....

He was the Italian gent who designed those "praying mantis" looking things about 20 years ago.

(Just stopped for a quick bite so I don't have time to dig for pictures)
Oh You Mean The Guy That Designed that Big ole' Mercedes Benz with The Windshield wipers that look like it came off off an Industrial Fan  ??? :-\

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Re: ‘Re-packaging’ trucks to save fuel
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2011, 11:49:03 PM »
That is one ugly truck. I dont think they will look like that. Im kinda thinking more like european truckd or trucks like a prostar. I do think its getting a little out of hand with these emissions and the looks of the trucks.

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Re: ‘Re-packaging’ trucks to save fuel
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