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Open Trucking Category => LESS THAN TRUCKLOAD => LTL Trailers => Topic started by: Heatnbeat on January 29, 2019, 11:11:33 PM

Title: Light weight on a pup
Post by: Heatnbeat on January 29, 2019, 11:11:33 PM
Question for you LTL guys. Any idea what an empty pup weighs?

This may sound stupid but.... I'm probably going to get a single axle Brigadier from my son in law. Thinking that if I drop the gvw to 26,000 and can get a pup under 10,000 I can drive it on a non commercial class c liscense. That way I can drive it and get proficient with it and then get my class a if I want to. The Brig ought to come in around 16,000(?) and the trailer would have to be tagged for it's empty weight. (No problem, it's not going to carry anything anyway). Years back I pulled a Cat 933 and a 450 Deere & hoe on a 20t deckover with a 26' straight truck so I'm not a complete noobie. It's just that I never pulled a 5th wheel setup. Oh yes, BTW this is totally non commercial!

OK, flame away :-)
Title: Re: Light weight on a pup
Post by: charlie on January 30, 2019, 06:01:13 AM
Jimmy B would be the guy to ask about all things Brig & LTL trailers. Check out his pics on the Forum...Ö..he drove for Yellow (YRC) and now is the proud owner of an ex YRC Brig he restored & uses to pull his RV.
Title: Re: Light weight on a pup
Post by: Jimmy B on January 30, 2019, 01:51:40 PM
A LTL freight pup will have a tare weight of between 8,000 and 10,000 lbs depending on it's build. I've never weighed my 1985 GMC Brigadier two axle tractor, but it seems, I'm thinking it comes in at about 12,000 lbs. I look through all my papers looking for the tare weight but never found any mention of the tare weight.

Jim Bryant
Title: Re: Light weight on a pup
Post by: Paul Kane on January 30, 2019, 04:23:16 PM
Found this in a discussion about a special build ODFL pup:

Each panel is 2 inches thick and weighs 300 pounds. Thus the trailerís tare weight is much more than a standard pup van, 15,760 pounds vs. 9,700 pounds


I'd imagine the weight of the standard pup includes side skirts.
 
Title: Re: Light weight on a pup
Post by: Heatnbeat on January 30, 2019, 07:56:28 PM
Thanks Jim, I'd hoped you'd chime in. Thought a pup might be a bit under 10,000. Surprised at :the 12,000 figure although this one has spokes so that will run the weight up some.
No illusions that mine will ever be anywhere near as yours. Just looking to have a bit of fun and save an old truck from the scrapper.
Although it might be fun to put steel Buds on it paint it red and make it look like Thurston Motor Lines # 967  8)
Title: Re: Light weight on a pup
Post by: Jimmy B on January 31, 2019, 01:59:35 PM
Hi,

That was a tare weight of about 12,000 lbs for My Brigadier, not a pup.

Jimmy B
Title: Re: Light weight on a pup
Post by: tery on January 31, 2019, 04:06:20 PM
My Mack Vision twin screw / sleeper / 100 gal tanks was 17,500 .
My 45 ft aluminum 8'1" spread axle flatbed was 10,000 giving me a 27,500 empty weight for comparison .

* You might want to consider putting 5 to 10,000 pounds of sandbags in that pup for braking .
Title: Re: Light weight on a pup
Post by: Heatnbeat on January 31, 2019, 07:58:03 PM
Yeah Jim I knew you meant the Brig. I just expected it to be heavier. My son's 76 A'car is 17000 with spokes and tandems so I thought maybe 15000 or so.

Tery, it wouldn't be possible to put much in because it would run the weight up over 26000#. Besides that it would probably be considered a violation of the classic tag rules. At any rate if I did do it it wouldn't go far or fast. I mostly want to learn to back it up.  A straight truck with a 26' bed and a big tagalong back up a lot differently.
Title: Re: Light weight on a pup
Post by: Jimmy B on February 01, 2019, 02:44:08 PM
The next time I've got it out I'll swing by the scale house and find out. It's something I should know anyway.


Yeah Jim I knew you meant the Brig. I just expected it to be heavier. My son's 76 A'car is 17000 with spokes and tandems so I thought maybe 15000 or so.

Tery, it wouldn't be possible to put much in because it would run the weight up over 26000#. Besides that it would probably be considered a violation of the classic tag rules. At any rate if I did do it it wouldn't go far or fast. I mostly want to learn to back it up.  A straight truck with a 26' bed and a big tagalong back up a lot differently.
Title: Re: Light weight on a pup
Post by: Heatnbeat on February 01, 2019, 08:17:35 PM
Yeah, please post that weight, I'm curious.