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Title: The end of the W900
Post by: Iowa80 on August 30, 2018, 04:15:28 PM
(https://bulk-share.slickpic.com/album/share/TOWD2Tgc2MYU,u/15355707.0/org/p/40387314_10156033540086715_823385710709964800_n.jpg) (https://bulk-share.slickpic.com/album/share/TOWD2Tgc2MYU,u/15355707.0/org/p/40387314_10156033540086715_823385710709964800_n.jpg)

Kenworth just released this teaser image on their Facebook page today, with the caption "It's Coming."  I'm almost certain that this is going to be the successor to the legendary W900, likely to be called the W980 or W990.  The rest of Kenworth's Class 8 lineup is up to date, so I'm not sure what else it would be.  The hood looks very similar to the one on a rendering that I've seen and posted here a while back; wasn't sure if that rendering was real or not.  At least the grille design is different (and better) than that of the T680 and T880 which it's sure to be based on.  Otherwise, I'm sure the cab and sleeper will be exactly the same as that of the T680/880, which is fine for those but IMO wouldn't look right on a square hood.

I'm not the least bit surprised about this, however.  The current design of the W900 has been around for about 20 years now, and we've all seen how Kenworth and Peterbilt have been phasing out their narrow cab models.  It was only a matter of time until the W900 went too.  While I'll make my final judgement on this new truck when it is fully revealed, I don't think it is even possible to come out with a completely new design that gives the current one a run for its money.

It will also be interesting to see what happens to the 389 over at Peterbilt.  Lately, both PACCAR brands have had models directly comparable to each other (save for obscure models like the Peterbilt 520 or KW C500), and released for the exact same model year.  While the axle-forward 567 has found some limited success in the OTR market and we've speculated that it may one day completely "replace" the 389, its Kenworth cousin is the T880.  Using this logic, it is very likely that Peterbilt will receive a direct counterpart to this new KW, with a hood taller and longer than the 567, but using the same cab.  I also heard a while back that the 579 will be receiving a "major refresh" due in 2020, so I wouldn't be surprised if PACCAR ends up making some significant changes to most of its American lineup for 2020. 
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: partsman88 on August 30, 2018, 05:12:38 PM
Hey Iowa, can I get a direct link to your Slickpic gallery? I'm curious to see the shots you posted but don't want to comment until I see what this potential new successor looks like. My antivirus thinks the bulkshare.slickpic URL is compromised so it blocks all the shots using that link. I can get around by directly visiting Slickpic though.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Iowa80 on August 30, 2018, 05:32:34 PM
Check your PMs.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: partsman88 on August 30, 2018, 05:44:39 PM
I know it's just a teaser but I ain't impressed. I wouldn't be surprised if they took a page out of the Western Star playbook and had that fat bar running down the middle of the grille. Or if they take a page out of the Aussie playbook (while I like the Aussie rigs, imo the American versions look better).

The second picture in your gallery is starting to look like a real possibility now (the 980). And I gotta say, as much as I like the 567 (and I love it, it's my favorite aero rig on the road today), it still doesn't beat a classic conventional. If this is the end of the road for straight hood 389's and W900's it will be a sad day.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Blue Mule74 on August 31, 2018, 02:35:51 AM
2019 will be the last year for the W-900 and either the W-980 or W-990 will replaced the W-900 in 2020, I think of either the W-980 or W-990 as a modern White Road Boss
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Wreckerman on August 31, 2018, 12:21:45 PM
I'll reserve judgement until the full reveal (which I'm looking forward to and dreading at the same time).
BUT, the W900 has been around a long time, remember, it has outlived the Pete 359, 379, and now is on its third Pete equivalent with the 389.
I have always loved the W900, it looks good, drives and handles well, and really hangs tough in a variety of different industries.
Hopefully the successor will carry on the "legacy". :)
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Paystar on August 31, 2018, 05:53:04 PM
I saw a side pic of it but I forget where I put it. It's kind like a T880 with a forward axle and side pipes.

The good fun days of trucking are long gone anyway. All we can do is keep the old stuff around to look at as long as we can.

I've already made the decision I'm not renewing my license the next come it comes due. Had enough of this. Not fun any more, especially these junk new trucks.

I'll just keep looking at the cool old truck pics on this site and remember the days where I had fun in a truck.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: coloradogreen on August 31, 2018, 06:02:46 PM
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680 cab with W900L-esque hood.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Iowa80 on August 31, 2018, 07:13:16 PM
I also came across this side shot:
(https://bulk-share.slickpic.com/album/share/2OWTzNEDDNW2Dk/15357639.0/org/p/2v2JqQ3vyxAUC7m.jpg) (https://bulk-share.slickpic.com/album/share/2OWTzNEDDNW2Dk/15357639.0/org/p/2v2JqQ3vyxAUC7m.jpg)

Not sure if any of these have been doctored at all; they look like the real deal to me though.  They may be preproduction prototypes, as the one in this pic is missing part of the stacks, but I think give a pretty good idea of what to expect.

Honestly the grille is the best part of this thing.  I don't care for the headlights, but that I can easily live with.  My big issue with this is that the new cab/sleeper just doesn't work the best for a square hood.  The roof right above the cab area isn't flat like on the old ones, which means no more being able to customize different styles and arrangements of lights and horns on the roof.  No air cleaners coming off the side of the hood either, one more really cool detail whose absence really diminishes that classic timeless look.

It's hard to overstate how big of a deal this is to any American truck enthusiast.  For over half a century, Kenworth and Peterbilt's square hood models have been the benchmark for American truck design, with the rest of the square hood models being wannabe imitators, some better than others, but none have reached the kind of iconic status that PACCAR's have.  While there have been numerous significant changes on the inside and under the hood, the fact that these designs have been around relatively unchanged for so long speaks for itself.  Aside from the addition of bigger sleepers later on, the Peterbilt has kept the same look for a whopping 50 years.  The current W900 is a bit newer, as the W900A's last year was 1982 I believe, then underwent what seems to be a major redesign.  Whatever the case, a late 80s W900 looks a lot different than a W900A, and is the design we've become familiar with today.  Sometime in the later half of the 90s, the W900 underwent another refresh/redesign, and while it looks like they don't have much if any sheetmetal in common, this redesign was all minor tweaks to every bit of the truck.  That means the current look of the W900 has been around in pretty much the same form for 35 years, still a really long time.

All that being said, you can't improve on perfection.  If the new design was a subtle evolution like the 90s refresh of the W900, I wouldn't mind much.  But this is a radical redesign the likes of which these models haven't seen for decades.  It will be interesting to see how successful this model becomes.  The W900's timelessness I'm sure has been a main selling point in this age of ubiquitous cookie-cutter aero trucks, so I don't think many will be fooled by this cheap knock off of the T880 that looks much more like a Coronado or 9900 than a proper PACCAR square hood.  Then again, buyers won't have any choice.

We'll see what happens over at Peterbilt... fingers crossed they have something similar in the works.  I say that because while it still can't be as good as the 389, their sleeper design is much better suited to a square hood than Kenworth's is.  As long as they get the hood right, they might still be able to offer a design that retains at least some of that look that makes PACCAR's square hoods special.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Wreckerman on August 31, 2018, 08:05:21 PM
If that's the real deal, it's not that bad.
Get the air cleaners installed (the hose holes are there, the actual cleaners just aren't on in that shot), get the stack tips on, get some nice rear fenders, maybe even some bumper guides, and it'll be pretty snazzy. ;)
The headlights are pretty ugly though, and there's nothing that can be done to hide that.
They should make a style exclusive to the W9, or just stick with the setup on the current ones, the "aero" headlights absolutely don't look good on it.
Anyway, it could be (a lot) worse. :)
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Paystar on September 01, 2018, 03:57:13 AM
The one I saw didn't have air cleaner cans. It had fake ones, more like vents such as the Coronado.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: convoyduel on September 01, 2018, 12:02:05 PM
I never thought such an iconic truck would morph into a near twin of an International 9900i.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: partsman88 on September 01, 2018, 12:27:25 PM
Front end looking mighty ugly. Best to reserve judgement until the full release though.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Paystar on September 01, 2018, 03:12:38 PM
I never thought such an iconic truck would morph into a near twin of an International 9900i.

How dare you insult the 9900 like that, lol.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Blue Mule74 on September 02, 2018, 12:16:58 AM
I never thought such an iconic truck would morph into a near twin of an International 9900i.

How dare you insult the 9900 like that, lol.

I always thought it more as a modern White Road Boss, LOL! The grill's on this new Kenworth W-990 and the White Road Boss are both very similar looking to me 
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: coloradogreen on September 02, 2018, 04:39:20 AM
I'll stick with Suzie-Q, thanks...
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: charlie on September 02, 2018, 05:29:59 AM
If the side shot view provided by Iowa80 had double round or square headlights, air cleaners & stacks I think it would be a good looking replacement for an iconic truck. :)  Might even want to see a flat top version. 8)
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Wee Willy on September 02, 2018, 06:08:42 AM
I don't mind the new look.
What do I care, they all look the same to me these days!
 ;D ;D ;D



Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Iowa80 on September 02, 2018, 12:49:05 PM
If the side shot view provided by Iowa80 had double round or square headlights, air cleaners & stacks I think it would be a good looking replacement for an iconic truck. :)  Might even want to see a flat top version. 8)

I should add that this new truck, by itself, is not a bad looking truck.  My problem with it is that it's just an okay looking truck replacing what is one of the best looking trucks of all time IMO.  You're right that different headlights, air cleaners, and stacks would help a lot, although it doesn't seem like the first two will make it; the stacks can be seen in the official teaser image.  Otherwise, it seems like there will be some sort of chrome piece/vent in place of where the air cleaners would be.  Besides, the proportions really do make it look like a 9900 or Coronado, and to each their own, but I don't see that as a good thing, at least for PACCAR.  On the other hand, if the old W900 absolutely had to go for whatever reason, I suppose it's a good thing that at least PACCAR plans on keeping a square hood around into the next decade.  Still the sad end of a great era in American trucking, however.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Oso2 on September 03, 2018, 07:54:04 AM
On the other hand, if the old W900 absolutely had to go for whatever reason, I suppose it's a good thing that at least PACCAR plans on keeping a square hood around into the next decade.  Still the sad end of a great era in American trucking, however.

The writing was on the wall when the T600 came out in 1980-whatever. I'm surprised it took this long.

They might be nice to look at as an enthusiast, but I have always loathed the KW narrow cab. I find it ill-proportioned, with poor visibility, ergonomics and cab noise. I'll take a KW or Pete wide-cab any day (T880, 567, etc...) It was probably great back in the day, but technology has improved since then.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: coloradogreen on September 03, 2018, 08:22:01 AM
On the other hand, if the old W900 absolutely had to go for whatever reason, I suppose it's a good thing that at least PACCAR plans on keeping a square hood around into the next decade.  Still the sad end of a great era in American trucking, however.

The writing was on the wall when the T600 came out in 1980-whatever. I'm surprised it took this long.

They might be nice to look at as an enthusiast, but I have always loathed the KW narrow cab. I find it ill-proportioned, with poor visibility, ergonomics and cab noise. I'll take a KW or Pete wide-cab any day (T880, 567, etc...) It was probably great back in the day, but technology has improved since then.
Words of a driver, not an owner. Everything in those wide cabs is glued or silicone'd in place. After a few years they rattle and squeak beyond belief. Things don't fit properly anymore. And those wide cabs aren't any cheaper to work on them a narrow cab where things are riveted, bolted, or screwed down in place.

Visibility is fine out of a narrow cab. I take my Kenworth into spots that guys in daycab Cascadias can't get into.

The cab on Suzie is nearly 30 years old. Does it have a couple of rattles? Yeah. But, I've driven equipment 20 years newer with more rattles and squeaks than Suzie has.

I'll take higher build quality and proper dash ergonomics any day over the wide cabs.

Troy.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Paystar on September 03, 2018, 08:55:44 AM
It's like I tried to explain to Oso before.....some owner/ops like me didn't care if we are losing profits. I'm a trucker because I used to love trucks. Therefore I buy what I want to be in all and look at. I don't care if it costs a bit more fuel. I do it because I enjoyed it and had pride in my equipment.

If I had to buy one of these new ugly aero cookie cutter trucks, then there is no point in me getting out of bed in the morning. Now it's not fun, it's just a job. May as well go be the Walmart greeter with Ontario's new minimum wage increase, and I can make the same money.

I certainly didn't get into trucking to be rich. I did it because I enjoyed it. Now it's getting to the point there will be nothing left to enjoy.
It's bad enough we have to deal with crap motors that try and put you bankrupt....at least let us have it in a truck that looks good.

But ultimately sales numbers tell the tale for the manufacturers, and unfortunately for us this new generation seems to want to drive cars and space ships.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Oso2 on September 03, 2018, 06:45:36 PM
Well it's nice to see that I haven't lost my touch. Yup, I can still disturb the manure with the best of them.

Troy, you may be wrong. While I can't speak about a kw as old as yours, I have driven a lot of 1990's - present day models (mostly t800's.) Compared to other trucks, the interiors are rattletraps that fall apart far sooner than newer models like a Volvo vn. The interior that I compare them most to is the FL Columbia - an interior with very poor construction.  I've driven old beat to hell Volvos that hung together better.

I don't say this because I have a hate-on for kw, but because my experience has taught me that they just aren't as well designed as other cabs - YMMV. Obviously I can't predict how a t980 will age.

Also, yes better visibility does help your business by reducing the chance that you'll hit something. Anything you can do to improve the odds of not getting into trouble is worth it.

P.S. YMMV and if you have a truck that you like, stick with it.

P.P.S. I've only driven a narrow-cab Pete once or twice, but I found the ergonomics and visibility to be better than a kw. I prefer more room though.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Oso2 on September 03, 2018, 06:49:10 PM
P.S. Now that I think of it, newer kw cabs have deeper dashes that push the driver further back, as well as head-liner shelves that restrict you're vision. So your old truck might have better ergonomics than a newer one.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Oso2 on September 03, 2018, 06:56:46 PM
Paystar - I think you'll find that the new generation doesn't want to drive space ships - but they DO want a truck that won't injure them. All those old trucks were notorious for causing back problems and deafness.

Secondly - do you seriously believe that ANYONE listens to a drivers opinions? Man, you are an optimist.  ;D

Come to think of it, I seem to recall you preferring Internationals and Western Stars - all of which have bigger cabs than a kw; also your beloved Granites, Lonestars and Coronados also have big modern cabs.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Paystar on September 03, 2018, 09:31:36 PM
Yep, love my Internationals because they were solid and super reliable and just kept going and going. And had Cat power.

If I had my way, I'd still be in my tiny cab R Model Mack. Loved that truck more than any.

Currently have a Western Star because of dealer and I like lots of gauges, but alas it's built like crap and that big cab is a greenhouse in the summer that is near impossible to keep cool with the AC on max and the fan on max.
Only thing it has that is better than a small cab is it is more comfortable to sleep in across the seats and my fridge in the middle because it is wide enough.

And I don't know about the newest KW's.....but I drove many 1980 to 2006's (C500, W900 and T800) and I have never had a cheap, rattling KW cab or interior.
And the ones I drove at Trans Provincial were heavy spec, worked hard, multiple drivers and they were all solid as a rock and you had to open the windows to close the doors because they were so air tight.

Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: W. Lineman on September 04, 2018, 05:36:54 AM
In the early '90's I moved a new W900L to a dealer about 30 miles away -- and the steering wheel was chattering left and right over bumps so much that I loosened my grip on the wheel. Opened the hood when I got there and surprised to see the steering gear mounted behind the front axle. Engineers say that mounting the steering gear behind the front axles causes 'bump steer', because the arc of the pitman steering arm follows a different path than the arc of the front axle.

I have a brochure on the 1929 Mack AC chain drive truck where they brag that the AC model had the steering gear mounted in front of the front axle so those arcs are the same to eliminate bump steer.

I know they have since moved the gear forward, but...

Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Wee Willy on September 04, 2018, 09:19:42 AM
 Ive been staring at those photos and see the method to KW's madness.
 The new W9 in the pics is a lot smoother, aerodynamically speaking, and affords better visibility.
 Call it keeping up with the Jones's, or the Oso's.
(sometimes I just kill me)
;D ;D ;D ;D

 I'm digging the conversation, but as Troy has indicated, it's all about perspective and comprehension.
 Our good buddy, Oso, hasn't had the opportunity to drive an O/O spec truck for any length of time, if at all, and his beliefs are based on his experience driving fleet and lease trucks, and none of them for long periods of time.

 Since this is about the new W9, I have driven many W9's, old and new, from early 70's models to late 90's models.
 I'm bigger than Oso and admit that the A model was pretty tight for me and not so comfortable to drive, but I did anyway and loved it.
 The B models weren't much different, but with an integrated bunk, like on the Aero cabs, still a little tight, but I found myself a lot more cheerier at the end of the day than ever I did after driving brand new a Volvo 780.
 The Vole Vo made me feel like I was driving a tour bus or a motorhome, or steering a ship on the high seas, or driving a luxurious garden shed. 

 Had to roll down the window to hear the engine.
If I can't hear or feel the engine vibration I have to look at the tach, which means taking my eyes off the road, never a good thing.
Engines have their own musical pitch, tone and scale, just like a guitar.
 It's nice to know that your intonation is always perfect. 
 
 Technology may have improved, but that doesn't mean the trucks are better, just roomier and more ergonomically correct with more built in conveniences.
 As far as ride goes, they ride smooth, like driving a wet sponge or bowl of jello down the road, not a lot of engine or road feel.

 They're more like cars and spaceships than they are like trucks.
I guess that's what the kids want these days, only reason I can think of. ;)
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: coloradogreen on September 04, 2018, 11:06:47 AM
I'm not a big guy after losing weight.

5-8 and 142lbs. I need the space like I need a hole in my head. I'm a skinny kid and find a B model cab perfectly fine. A narrow Peterbilt cab starts to feel big to me. Wide cabs, Western Star cabs, etc all feel like driving a barn. FWIW, Western Star makes my sh*t list of worst designed cabs and dashes I've ever seen. The ignorant twit who put the ignition switch right in front of the shift tower should be embarrassed. The moment there's any play in the tower and you'll find yourself coming uncomfortably close to that ignition switch when shifting. Their rocker switches are cheap and fall apart quickly.

That being said, there is a generation difference between early and later 90s KW cabs. Early 90s were much more akin to the A model cabs, much more riveted and bolted construction, certain panels never changed.

I've driven a little over 50 different trucks in the last 8ish years, owner op specs, fleet specs, condos, flattops, daycabs, sit down, walk through and crawl through bunks. Aero and traditional and a myriad of engines, transmissions, rear gears, etc. I'm comfortable with my attitude about certain design aspects. Thankfully, as an owner operator it's my choice about what I run.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Iowa80 on September 05, 2018, 04:25:39 PM
Kenworth just released an image of the interior of this new truck.  Pretty much what I expected; straight out of a T680, although the extra gauges are nice.
(https://bulk-share.slickpic.com/album/share/wIIAYTixYy1OOT/15372703.0/org/p/40953798_10156046886126715_1442202958040137728_n.jpg) (https://bulk-share.slickpic.com/album/share/wIIAYTixYy1OOT/15372703.0/org/p/40953798_10156046886126715_1442202958040137728_n.jpg)

I would argue that the reason the W900 is being discontinued in favor of this isn't so much because it's what "kids these days" want, as much as it is PACCAR wanting to consolidate their lineup to having only one cab model, except for their garbage truck and medium duty cabover.  I'm sure medium duty conventional versions of this cab will be coming shortly as well.  Now, whether the new cab itself is the way it is because it's what the younger generation wants, is up for debate.  I honestly don't know exactly what the younger generation's tastes in trucks is.  If they were really that much about function and comfort and could care less about the cool factor, I don't know why they would bother with this new truck if they could have a T680 instead.  Either that or they're interested in the spaceships, like the Tesla truck.  Besides, I can think of a few younger members here that still have an appreciation for the old school look of trucks like the W900, myself included.

Again, I think this has everything to do with the cab.  Based on the type of buyer of the square hoods in 2018, I really don't think using the new cab is going to sell more of these than the W900s have been selling lately; if anything the lukewarm design will turn off some potential buyers.  Every single square hood truck model that's been around in the age of the aero truck has had an aerodynamic version of it.  It's just that early aero trucks like the FLD, T600 and Peterbilt 377/385, had a much boxier cab design.  Once the aero segment took off and their manufacturers realized the money to be made there, new cab designs with a focus on aerodynamics were introduced to stay competitive in the segment.  Aero trucks using the old cabs became a thing of the past, while the old cabs soldiered on as square hood models for quite some time.  Lately, I think we've come to the point where these old cabs have reached the end of their production lifespan and their manufacturers don't see it being practical to make them anymore.

Still, it's a shame that PACCAR's legendary square hoods are not long for this world now.  The replacement is obviously an aero truck at heart, and the hood, extra chrome, stacks, and nice interior are merely crumbs being thrown at the W900/389 crowd.  If I was to be in the market for a new Kenworth and money wasn't a factor, in 2018 there's no question I would go for a W900.  In 2022, I may as well get a decked out T680 instead of this joke.  Hopefully W900 buyers will see this truck for what it is, and it becomes such a flop that it doesn't stay on the market for more than a few years.

PACCAR should've done what International just did with their 9900.  The concept of the 9900 isn't completely dead - it may be under a new name, and I've never seen one on the road yet, and probably will never be marketed as an OTR truck.  But if you really want one, at least you still have this option.
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Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: coloradogreen on September 06, 2018, 01:41:31 AM
Paccar/ KW/ Peterbilt have respectively had their own general cab design since the 30s. 350 conventional and bubblenose cabovers utilized a common cab. Virtually every Peterbilt from the mid 70s on with a hood has used a varitiation of the unilite cab, as has almost every KW with a hood even before the bulkhead door cabs.

In fact, most manufacturers have followed that design habit since the 50s. It's nothing new. It's just the new cab superstructure. If there is any cab that is, at its core, outdated, it's the International cab.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Wee Willy on September 06, 2018, 08:21:47 AM
 I guess this is what they call vertical integration.

 All the truck builders will have one cab, 10 hoods and trim packages, with FA or SA front axle and everything manufactured in house and shared across their entire lines.

At least you'll have a few options left when ordering a new truck.

Daimler, Paccar, Volvo, International, trim package 1 2 or 3, the color, Cummins engine, bunk size, regular or heavy spec, and that's about it!
 
 The future will be exactly like my last trip to a local truck dealership,
twenty seemingly identical white trucks and one blue one that stood out like a sore thumb.
 I'll take the blue one please!
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: convoyduel on September 06, 2018, 08:56:15 PM
Seeing and reading this makes me even more thankful I ordered the new tractor I just did in July.  I already knew I was ordering one of the very last of an era, but seeing Paccar step away from a legendary product is a real paradigm shift.  All they did was push more towards automated manufacturing and vertically integrated cookie cutter style manufacturing.  Finding a manufacturer that would build what I wanted was interesting, but one came thru with flying colors.  The others wouldn't touch it.  Can't wait until May/June 2019!
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Blue Mule74 on September 07, 2018, 02:35:00 AM
Paccar/ KW/ Peterbilt have respectively had their own general cab design since the 30s. 350 conventional and bubblenose cabovers utilized a common cab. Virtually every Peterbilt from the mid 70s on with a hood has used a varitiation of the unilite cab, as has almost every KW with a hood even before the bulkhead door cabs.

In fact, most manufacturers have followed that design habit since the 50s. It's nothing new. It's just the new cab superstructure. If there is any cab that is, at its core, outdated, it's the International cab.

Didn't International update their cabs when they came out with the prostar in 2008? I know Volvo hasn't really update their cabs since the last 90's, When the VNL Series came out in 1998
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Oso2 on September 08, 2018, 07:05:23 PM
Yes International did introduce a new cab around 2008. I can't remember if the medium duty cab is exactly the same - I know that the dash is different.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: coloradogreen on September 08, 2018, 11:05:36 PM
Having driven both a 2003 9400i, and it's effective successor, a 2013 Prostar... their "new cab" was hardly a major change.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Paul Kane on September 09, 2018, 07:17:02 AM
The Prostar wasn't the 9400's successor, it was a parallel aero model.  It still carries through to today in the 9900 model.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Blue Mule74 on September 12, 2018, 12:23:00 AM
Yes International did introduce a new cab around 2008. I can't remember if the medium duty cab is exactly the same - I know that the dash is different.

Out of all of the model's with the new cab, I like the Lonestar the best, The Lonestar is actually one of my favorite modern trucks of today
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Paul Kane on September 12, 2018, 06:54:44 AM
The Prostar wasn't the 9400's successor, it was a parallel aero model.  It still carries through to today in the 9900 model.

I'm wrong, I screwed up thinking of the 9300.  Troy is correct.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Blue Mule74 on September 15, 2018, 12:03:30 AM
Was 2007 the last year for the 9400 or was 2009 the last year for the 9400?
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: partsman88 on September 16, 2018, 05:17:13 PM
Found this shot on Flickr user jacobrake's account:

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1835/30088772998_44eca740b4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/MQQPWf)New and next version of W900 (https://flic.kr/p/MQQPWf) by jacobrake (https://www.flickr.com/photos/92801917@N07/), on Flickr

If that's it, I ain't a fan.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: FireStar on September 18, 2018, 09:29:43 AM
This young man is personally not a fan of the newer kenworth models, though the T680 cab has a certain appeal to it in my opinion as an aero truck, but the smoother W900/T800 cab design is not my cup of tea. While I will admit they look cool, I doubt that they'll last longer than a million miles with all the plastic in them. Never been one for the aero trucks in the first place. Doesn't help that night and day all I look at are older trucks ;) .
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Douglass-2011 on September 18, 2018, 11:28:32 AM
I kind of think Western Star when I see that one. :)
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Iowa80 on September 20, 2018, 06:08:13 PM
The latest news from Kenworth's Facebook page is that it will be called the W990 and will be officially unveiled on September 28th.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: KWJD on September 28, 2018, 11:17:13 AM
W990 launch video here:

https://youtu.be/aZ2TeK0we8s (https://youtu.be/aZ2TeK0we8s)

-KWJD
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Pascal Pion on September 28, 2018, 01:46:00 PM
Somebody at my work place told me today that the W990 is not replacing the W900 but is an add on to the KW rooster. Same way as the T880 and T800
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: R. Buron on September 29, 2018, 07:15:39 AM
If the fact is confirmed, it's a great news because the W900 is an icon and one of the best.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Oso2 on October 01, 2018, 12:19:58 PM
Somebody at my work place told me today that the W990 is not replacing the W900 but is an add on to the KW rooster. Same way as the T880 and T800

Until the day that its not. The w900 is on the way out - don't kid yourself.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Wreckerman on October 01, 2018, 02:05:45 PM
I agree Oso2.
Like the T660 replaced the T600, like the T880 will be replacing the T800.
It may be five or more years, but the W900 is in its declining years.

Anyway, the W990 doesn't look bad, the headlights and the lack of air cleaners being my only real complaints.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Iowa80 on October 01, 2018, 03:56:58 PM
https://www.overdriveonline.com/kenworth-introduces-new-w990-tractor-will-retain-w900l/?utm_medium=single_article&utm_campaign=site_click&utm_source=in_story_promotion

For now, the W900 will stay around, and that's what Kenworth has officially said.  For how long that will be is anyone's guess, but it's great news that the W900 will remain on sale for at least the next couple years.  I'm sure Kenworth is looking at replacing it eventually, because it would make no sense to have two square hood models being sold alongside each other.  The only other explanation I can think of is that the W990 is filling a niche in Kenworth's lineup similar to how the Peterbilt 567 Heritage does for Peterbilt, except for that the 567 has a much shorter hood than the W990.

By itself, the W990 doesn't look bad, but neither is it anything too spectacular.  The lack of air cleaners and the aerodynamic roof and sleeper are big detriments to the classic look it's trying to achieve.  I see this truck being more in the vein of the Coronado and 9900, and the idea that it is a proper replacement for the legendary W900 is a complete and utter joke.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Oso2 on October 01, 2018, 05:18:28 PM
I tend to think that Paccar knows that w900 lovers are conservative by nature and will take years to warm to *any* new design.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Wreckerman on October 04, 2018, 08:12:17 AM
Kenworth's Director of Design, Jonathan Duncan, explains differences between, and I quote, "the new W990 and its predecessor W900L".

https://www.hardworkingtrucks.com/video-kenworth-design-director-explains-differences-between-w990-and-w900l/

I personally think that the W990 is a good looking rig, and would make a nice *ADDITION to the KW roster.
The one main cosmetic improvement the W990 needs in my opinion is real "can" air cleaners instead of the chrome "scoops".
The only minor change that would help the look would probably be a different headlight system, something a little more "square".


*That said, it cannot replace the W900L in terms of "classic styling", no matter how hard they try to make it.
 Unfortunately, I fully expect that within the next 5 or so years the W900 and the T800 will be gone from the KW roster. :'(
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Paul Kane on October 04, 2018, 09:29:04 AM
I love the all black version.

I really dislike the "big forehead" look, but that's common these days across most makes.  Look in the background though, there looks to be a small bunk flattop with Seminole paint.

I'm going to be naively optimistic that we're going to see some pretty cool stuff once they start hitting the road.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: charlie on October 04, 2018, 12:51:32 PM
Anything Fleenor Bros. has in its fleet has got to be a winner. :) I do agree about the need for a real air cleaner though.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Jon_G on October 05, 2018, 04:46:03 PM

I may be one of the few, but I actually like it. The more I see it, the more I like the styling. Obviously I wish the W900L stays, but they at least tried to keep something in the segment.

Jon
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Blue Mule74 on October 12, 2018, 03:00:00 AM
The W-900 will be an option for Kenworth for a while, Until Kenworth discontinue's the W-900
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: W. Lineman on November 09, 2018, 02:55:53 PM
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Until the day that its not. The w900 is on the way out - don't kid yourself.

Like they did with Detroit Diesel after Freightliner bought it.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: Oso2 on November 11, 2018, 10:18:47 AM
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Until the day that its not. The w900 is on the way out - don't kid yourself.

Like they did with Detroit Diesel after Freightliner bought it.

I think that was Daimler's decision, not Paccar's. Daimler knew that there were buyers who wanted Detroits and didn't care as much about the surrounding truck;so they decided that the engine would become proprietary.
Title: Re: The end of the W900
Post by: partsman88 on November 11, 2018, 02:55:28 PM
It took me a bit but I've warmed up to it. Has a real Aussie look to it that I like.

Also for anyone interested the X-Mas tree headed to the US Capitol is being pulled by one. I'm trying to see if I can catch it but it's hard because I'm not sure which route it's going to take into Joint Base Andrews, which I don't have access to.