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Title: Confrontations
Post by: Inkytruck on February 07, 2006, 07:56:52 PM
Anyone tried to take pics at a truckstop and have a driver or someone come over and start to ask questions? I am kind of afraid of this so I don't have many pictures(one of mine is in the thread "Freightliner FLD120"). I would like to get a lot more pics and I live near the great trucking cities of Fontana and Ontario, California, so I have many opportunities. I just want to find out how likely this is to happen.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Felipe Garcia on February 07, 2006, 08:08:18 PM
No, actually I don't think they have the right to ask questions, but you also should try to be nice and it'll be fine.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: bkentr on February 08, 2006, 07:01:12 AM

while you do have the right to take pictures, it is good to careful, and
polite.

the truck driver, possibly the owner, is also right to be careful about
someone "messing" with his/her truck.

if your taking pictures for fun, say so.  If a driver starts to ask questions,
let them know you have a real intrest in trucks, doing this for fun, and ask
them if they would like to be in one of the pics.

many drivers, and OO's will be glad to "show off" thier rig with pride.

they might even enjoy talking about where they are comming from,
what they are  hauling, and the destination. That info will make a great
caption for your pic, and make the pictures mean more later on.

 like the tee shirt, with a message, I just happened to put on this morning
 says, " A MAN AND HIS TRUCK, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING"

If you are asked  or told to stop, do so, there are lots of trucks around.

kent
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: hank on February 08, 2006, 07:35:18 AM
I am always looking around truck stops and rest areas to be sure that if the driver is in the cab or checking his tires, that I ask him first if he would mind if I took pictures of his truck. Sometimes they'll complain that the truck is dirty, but then I just inform the driver/owner that is really a working truck. I started carrying business cards because I got tired of writing down the web site URL. I think I have only been turned down once because the driver wasn't sure of the company's policy on pictures of their equipment. So I didn't take pictures of his truck out of respect for his request. It's like what's already been said, "There are lots of trucks out there."

The odd time I will have taken a picture of a truck and then later seen that there was a driver in the cab. I'll then go to him and tell him what I did and why. I tell them that I take pictures of trucks as a hobby and I also post them on the web site. They are usually very flattered that I took pictures of their truck and put them on the web site.

When I am at a trucking terminal I always go into the office and ask permission first too. I have done this always, even before 9-11 and the home security measures that many companies take. If people know what you are doing and why, then they have no reason to be suspicious.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Alan Drake on February 08, 2006, 12:51:40 PM
 I'll certainly second what Hank says. Here in UK/ Europe I've never had any problems taking photos. If somebody is with the truck always ask in a FRIENDLY and POLITE way. If you want to go into a companies premises always ask. Most times they will let you, subject to health and safety rules. BUT if they say NO, accept it, say thanks for your time and walk away. There is always another truck and another day.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: CAN MAN on February 08, 2006, 02:44:40 PM
Best to ask first , I had 1 guy ask if I could wait until he ran it through the wash so it would look better. 8-)
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Inkytruck on February 08, 2006, 04:02:20 PM
Thanks for replying! I'll definitely be polite and up front about my intentions. Speaking of terminals, i went to the SNI Fontana terminal and asked for a tour and I was guided around by the Western Regional Training Coordinator. He was a very nice guy and showed me all around. He said that I was definitely welcome to sign up when I turn 21 (in 10 months) and that they could use people like me.

Also, I was wondering what you guys thought of my first pic. It is in the thread "Freightliner FLD120."
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: charlie on September 24, 2006, 11:49:12 AM
i know this is an old thread but i just wanted to add my 2 cents. Only been asked once not to take pictures & that was at Bordentown Petro by a security guard.Have been asked a couple of times by drivers what i was doing. Didn't see them in their truck before the picture so i explained that it was a hobby; they basically muttered something about me needing to get a life.

if i see a driver in his truck & really want the picture, i'll ask for permission. Most apologize for truck being dirty & say shoot away.

i carry about 20 pictures i have taken from all over to show if anyone doubts i am anything but a hobbyist.

Strangely, have never been stopped or questioned by any type of law enforcement & i do take a lot of pictures on the NJTP which i've been told is forbidden.

As others have said there are lots of trucks & lots of places to take pictures so i'll move along if asked.

Charlie
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: kenworth man on September 26, 2006, 12:42:37 PM
Anyone tried to take pics at a truckstop and have a driver or someone come over and start to ask questions? I am kind of afraid of this so I don't have many pictures(one of mine is in the thread "Freightliner FLD120"). I would like to get a lot more pics and I live near the great trucking cities of Fontana and Ontario, California, so I have many opportunities. I just want to find out how likely this is to happen.

as my photography teacher said I dont care how you get the PHOTO not picture just get it
but I  dont know dad says dont go to many truck could get hurt (yeah right) so I dont go
hope that helps :-)
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: road.rascal on September 26, 2006, 01:33:47 PM
i allways ask the driver of the truck first , somtimes if i take a few without asking then they will ask me why im taking pics and will i be framing them for somthing.  i think its better if you ask first that way there is no confusion or problems and just say its a hobby
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Gary Smith on September 27, 2006, 03:09:52 PM
I've only had 2 confrontations.

The first was in Chicago in 9/1989, I was in town for the last open house at the EMD locomotive plant in LaGrange that was held while they were still building locomotives there.

I was out railfanning and in my travels, happened upon an White RB2M64T in "full dress" ANR colors (a former Neuendorf tractor) parked onthe street near the big Burlington Northern yard in Cicero.  I stopped and got out of the car to take a picture.  As I was taking the photo, the driver came out of the restaurant across the street and asked me why I was taking a picture of his truck (I suspect that he thought that I was following him).  I replied that I liked trucks and that I hadn't seen one like his before.  He just walked away shaking his head.....

The second happened about 10 years ago in my neighborhood.  I saw an unusual rig apparently parked unattended at a local shopping center.  I stopped and took a picture.  As I was headed back to the car, the owner of the truck, who was the playing pool in the pool hall in the shopping center, came out yelling at me "What are you doing, I have permission to park that truck there".  Apparently he thought I was from zoning enforcement.  Again, I said that I liked trucks and wanted to take a picture of his, but I'm not sure he believed me.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: charlie on February 18, 2008, 07:30:08 PM
Had a different type of confrontation today down in Maryland. Not with security but with a trucker whose truck i had taken a picture of while he was driving down the public street to turn into the truck stop. He came marching up to me about 15 minutes after he parked his truck & told me i invaded his privacy as i didn't have his permission to take the picture.

 I told him truck photography was a hobby but he couldn't understand that at all. I explained that getting his permission beforehand would be hard to do as he was in the cab, i was on the curb & the truck was doing about 20-25 mph. He didn't see the humor in that & demanded i delete his picture. I said no problem & proceeded to check my pictures for his truck. Here's where it gets stupid.

 I ask what kind of truck he has. White FL Century, no markings on trailer. I laughed & said maybe i didn't take a photo of such a plain jane truck but he insisted i did. He also tells me the Unabomber had a lot of good points at which time i'm thinking the intimidation starting and he's wacko & i'm considering calling the cops.

 So i search my pics for his truck so i can delete it. Can't see in the bright sun, neither can he. Find a Century we think is his but i don't know how to delete 1 photo only & i'll be damned if i'm going to delete all of them for this J/O. I press some buttons, tell him it's gone & he leaves with me telling him to have a nice day.

 Checking my pics tonight i find his truck & him clearly giving me the finger as i snapped a pic off.  :-D
Don't want to come off sounding like a lawyer but if i'd have been in my home state i think i would have reacted differently. He & his truck were on a Public street; i was standing a few feet in from the curb which IIRC correctly is still Public property. I don't think he could have an expectation of privacy in this case. I think i was completely within my rights. If i were 30 years younger i think i would have just coldcocked the SOB.  :roll:

 How do you drivers feel when someone snaps a pic of your truck?  :? Has Hank run into this with his Overpass pics?  :? I have the phone # of the trucking company this moron drives for & am thinking of calling them tomorrow and explaining i don't like being harassed by one of their employees and future actions like this might prove costly to them in the future in the form of law suits.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: DAVID350 on February 18, 2008, 07:34:15 PM
Wow what an abortion that was. Must have been a boring day for him to have to start that crap. Mabye his tags were expired??? :-D Don't let it get to you, keep taking pictures. Frekin jerkoff :roll:
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: peterbilttrucker on February 18, 2008, 07:54:03 PM
Wow. I've only been turned down for a truck picture twice. I've had several people ask me what I'm doing, but no one's really had a problem with it. Quite a story you've got there Charlie... I don't think you were doing anything wrong. I suppose he has a right to ask for his picture to be deleted, but he could've handled it a little better. I'd probably have trouble staying calm if I were confronted like that. I think there ARE a few cases when truck drivers are probably uncomfortable getting their pictures taken if something on their truck might not be exactly legal.
I remember seeing a police officer standing on the corner with a clipboard one day when I was driving my dad's truck with some friend's down near Salt Lake. He looked up at me and then went to write something down on his clipboard, I was a li'l shaken up for awhile after that. I bet some truckers that don't want anything to do with authorities might be concerned by someone taking their picture as they drive by.

The only time truckstop security has asked me to leave the premises was when there was a major propane leak. He ran up to me yelling "NO PICTURES! NO PICTURES!" and I had NO CLUE what was going on! I had just showed up with my camera for some truck pictures after a long day of work. Although, I did think it was odd that so many trucks were leaving all at once..... :roll:
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Rick Sousa on February 18, 2008, 08:05:40 PM
Charlie I would have coldcocked him just because there is snow on the roof don't mean there no power in the punch  :evil: easy now  was just joking. He must have had a bad hair day
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Nate on February 18, 2008, 11:31:12 PM
Rick,
He was probably just a pure jackass.

Since im new to the hobby. And have only gone out twice for "curbside" pictures, I cant say i've ever had a problem, like you Charlie I was on a sidewalk paid by me, and the truck was on a road paid by me, so I clearly think I can take a picture part of my constitutional rights. But I guess if someone did say that too me that they didn't want their truck in it, politely, and understanding that I take pictures, and no bid deal that I can delete his picture, then no problem, i'll delete it. But if he was rude like this guy was too you, being a pure jackass, yeah i'd put my left or right into him, probably end up in jail though, ha, I do have a bit-o a temper when im pizzed off though. :-o :oops:

Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: charlie on February 19, 2008, 04:36:49 AM
Probably another reason i couldn't find the photo of the Century the guy was driving was because the A**hole doesn't even know what he drives.  :-D Turns out it's a Columbia although he repeatedly said Century.  :roll: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Rob Archer on February 19, 2008, 07:17:23 AM
Charlie...don't end up with a black eye over a truck picture. :roll: :evil:
I've been confronted a couple of times: :x
The driver of this Epic Express city unit tried to tell me hiscompany didn't allow photos.
http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/archer/2005/oct30/epic_exp.jpg

I think he was ***kin' the dog and didn't want to be caught. :evil:

A driver from URSUS Transport asked me what I was taking a picture for but he apparently had never heard of the Internet let alone Hanks Truck Pictures. :?

I try to stay low profile, get my pics and get outta Dodge.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: charlie on February 19, 2008, 07:41:35 AM
Funny thing is 99.9% of the drivers, security and police out there are pretty cool (and intelligent) people and can carry on a conversation when you're talking to them. Then you get the .1% like this caveman who sees a conspiracy behind every event & thinks big brother actually cares about his pathetic boring life. I took pics Sunday morning in Bordentown while the cops were running a ticket campaign right in front of the Petro. 3 different cop cars passed me countless times & i never got so much as a glance.

Still debating on calling up the company & telling them i didn't appreciate being harassed by their employee. I'm just afraid i might get someone on the other end of the phone who's less intelligent & a bigger J/O than the driver was & who actually condones that type of behavior.  :-D
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: pat on February 19, 2008, 07:45:51 AM
I don't mind people taking pictures of my truck if doing legal things or parked.



if you caught me doing something illegal, that's a different story! :-D
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: charlie on February 19, 2008, 09:41:15 AM
So i called up the company (small fleet based in the south) & asked to speak to someone in authority. Got the President on the line about 5 seconds later.  :-o Laid out the whole story like i did here. He apologized profusely & told me how embarrassed he was & how that is not the image he wants his company to have. Asked me to document the whole incident on paper & send it to him along with a print of the picture of the driver giving me the bird.  :-)

 If nothing else this rant made me feel better. :-D  Thanks for listening. :lol: :wink:
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Nate on February 19, 2008, 01:34:05 PM
I think I might smell an ass chewing coming soon Charlie. Good job, the driver deserves some sort of talking too after that one. Watch and see if he talks that way to the president of his company. He'll be looking for a new one if he does.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Pogo Stick on February 19, 2008, 03:40:10 PM
" Coldcocking someone over a picture of a truck or the Truck Drivers followup attitude just is not worth the criminal record " PLEASE NOTE this is a GENERALIZED comment not directed at Charlie just my feeling that its not WORTH it thats ALL.


As for the driver getting chewed out , anyone can come on the phone as the president of a company , witnessed that more than a few times , most places respond with a yes sir or yes mam we will look right into that , then hangs up and calls the caller a twit.

 I ask before taking a picture unless its a road shot , just as I like to be asked , and I never ask WHATCHA HAULIN and if they ask me I'm empty.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: peterbilttrucker on February 19, 2008, 03:46:41 PM
I think these guys were joking about coldcocking him. :roll:
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: norseman on February 19, 2008, 04:03:28 PM
So i called up the company (small fleet based in the south) & asked to speak to someone in authority. Got the President on the line about 5 seconds later.  :-o Laid out the whole story like i did here. He apologized profusely & told me how embarrassed he was & how that is not the image he wants his company to have. Asked me to document the whole incident on paper & send it to him along with a print of the picture of the driver giving me the bird.  :-)
Good work, Charlie! Just read your original posting here, and man, what a sh*thead! I ceretainly hope that was the President on the line there, and that he'll take this incident up with the driver...

Coldcocking someone over a picture of a truck just is not worth the criminal record
If it weren't for the consequences, I'd coldcock him - not over the pictuyre, but over his being such a sh*thead.

Jan.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: DD on February 19, 2008, 04:20:25 PM
Coldcocking someone over a picture of a truck just is not worth the criminal record

Not to mention getting coldclocked back. :roll:
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: hank on February 19, 2008, 04:50:49 PM
Charlie and others,
I've never been confronted by anyone like you were, but last summer I was at a truck stop in La Grande, OR and I was shooting pictures of all the trucks in the truck stop. It was a hot day, so I was shooting a lot of them in the shade of the building and using my zoom lens to get close. Then one of the drivers came up to me and told me NOT to take pictures of his truck and the one beside it. He told me that he was told by his company if anyone looked suspicious, to call "The Law". I told hime what I was doing and what I did with the pictures and he was okay with that. He just told me not to post them on the web site. Turns out the plates on the trailer said, "Radio Active". I never noticed it until I got  to upload the pictures to the computer. They never went on the site. I must say though, it shook me up a bit for a good part of that trip.

One time I was trying to get some pictures of some grocery hauling trucks that we behind a fence. All of a sudden a security guard came up to me and started asking questions. Well after talking for about 10 minutes, he said, "I'm going to look the other direction now, and I won't know what you will do when I turn around." Well I didn't run, I shot pictures. What else would I do?

One other time D.F. and I went to Canadian Freightways terminal near Vancouver, BC. We went into the office and spoke to the terminal manager, who at this point because of many visits to the terminal, was a good friend to us. Well it was a miserable day, raining mostly. D.F. and I had been shooting pictures for quite a while when the security guard drives up in his car. He wanted to know what we were doing and we were to leave. Well it turned out that we were right outside the terminal manager's window. He came out into the pouring rain and told the security guard to take off. We were his guests.

From the overpass no one had ever bothered me, other than to stop and ask me what I'm doing. Usually it's the four-wheelers who stop and ask me. The truckers have more important things to do. But it is kind of funny to hear most of the truckers turn on their Jake Brakes when I aim the camera at them. I have thought of hoisting up a huge sign advertising "Hank's Truck Pictures"  NOT RADAR!!

Charlie, I hope it was the president you spoke to. It would make sense from what he said though. Trucking companies want to have a good image these days. And having a driver like that sure won't help the image.

Maybe one day, if I can scrape enough money together, I'll buy my wife this expensive embroidery machine and have a bunch of jackets made up advertising the web site and what we all like to do.

Take care out there guys, and please don't do something you might be sorry for later.

Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: pat on February 19, 2008, 04:59:46 PM
I thought about this for a little bit today. after the michael richards incident, you never know if the person behind the camera will throw you under the bus. how does that driver know you're not someone in the neighborhood watching for trucks to make mistakes and report them to the company? I have seen videos on you tube of people seeing people do bad things, recording it.

maybe that guy thought you were going to do something like that? I am not siding with him, just throwing my two pennies in.

as I am inbetween on this topic.


charlie, I have to see that picture!!!
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: charlie on February 19, 2008, 05:37:39 PM
At my age i don't plan on cold cockin' anyone soon.  :-D Even if the driver had a question Pat he could have asked it in a civil manner & not have come across a total a**hole. The fact that everything took place on a public street left the driver on very thin ice by using a demanding &  intimidating style. Looking back i don't even think i'd have to delete his pic since his permission wasn't needed on a public street. In the future knowing i was in the right if i couldn't reason with a person after explaining everything & he was threatening or intimidating i'd call the police for sure & let them sort it out.

As luck  :? would have it i ran into a guy with a tripod & camera when i was out for my lunchtime pics today. Turns out he was a professional photographer for a local news station & we talked for a while. As far as privacy goes as long as the person with the camera is on a public street or in a public place a picture can be taken without permission. The street extends 10-15 feet back from the curb also so there's a lot of public space in the approach i use around truck stops. Even shooting someone or something that's on private property and you're in a public place as long as you're not using a super scope lens it's ok.

Oh & i'm gonna do a little more research on this company before sending off any statements or photos. Guy i talked to seemed like the real McCoy & truly interested but we'll see. I'll think about posting the pic for you guys.  :|



Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: pat on February 19, 2008, 06:07:52 PM
i agree he came off like an A-hole charlie, not arguing that. I'm on your side here ;)
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: DD on February 19, 2008, 09:14:22 PM
Now This is why i am going to start carrying a So Called Truck Photography Kit with me at all times,  :-D :-D IT Contains the Following:

1. 2 cameras My Sony cybershot DSC-S650 Point and Shoot Camera, And the Olympus SP-560UZ Digital Camera
2. extra memory cards and batteries etc.
3. My Sony Playstation Portable (PSP) which i use it as a Photo Album of all my pics
4. a Couple Copies of the Photographers Rights
5. a Few Business Cards For Hanks Truck Pics Website & Forum

Any other suggestions for what i should Carry  :? :? :-D

Sounds like a lot of valuable electronics to be carrying around Ray. You should be careful that you don't get mugged.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: kenworth man on February 20, 2008, 05:07:41 PM
and a .45..........9mm........12 gauge....... :lol: :-P :-D
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Nate on February 20, 2008, 05:13:54 PM
Ok guys, I think were going a bit far, and a bit off topic.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: norseman on February 21, 2008, 03:59:17 AM
I'll bring it back on topic here....

The "heaviest" confrontation of my "carreer" happened at the Iowa 80 truck stop on my trip last fall. I had been walking around the truck stop for a while taking pics, and had gotten back in the Cadillac to drive across the lot to get out (I had parked it way in the back), and of course I came across a few rigs I hadn't gotten pics of as we drove past, so I made a couple stops and took some pics, and as I walked up to a very nice Sharp KW out of Utah to get some pics, two guys came running up from the back, shouting at me and demanding to know what I was doing. I kept calm and just explained to them I was a truck nut from Norway, wanting to take home some souvenirs in the form of some truck pics, and they cooled down little by little.

The one guy who did the talking (who, seriously, seemed to have an IQ lower than his shoe size, but that's beside the point) said something about him figuring I was taking pictures to try and track down the trucks and give them trouble, he was saying something about Californians and what not, but I didn't really catch what he was saying. I guess he figured I was up to no good, at least. Then, as I had gotten it into his head that I was a truck fan and only wanted pics of the trucks for my collection, and he had actually decided I was a good guy, a Freightliner Classic XL pulled up next to the Sharp rig, and the driver got out. The guy then shouted to the driver, "Hey, mind if this guy takes pictures of your truck?!", and the driver replied, "No, man, he can do whatever he wants". That was the end of that. They got back to their trucks, actually wishing me a good trip and letting me know a couple of good truck stops to get pics at, and we got on our way. Still, it kind of shook me up a bit.

Apart from that, I had a couple of guys walking to their parked trucks in one of the parking lots at MATS last year ask me and a guy I was walking around a bit with, what the heck we were doing. He explained to them that we took pictures of trucks, and the driver replied "what the h*ll for? Crazy..."  :roll:

Can't really remember any other incidents...

Jan.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: ParkinLot on May 21, 2009, 04:15:33 PM
I know that this is an oldie, but it's also a goodie.  :-D I've never had any sort of issue taking pix anywhere. If there are owners/drivers around I always ask permission an usually compliment their gear/facility as well. The compliments are genuine too 'cause if I'm not impressed I'm not takin' pix. I've also been the driver/owner who has had folks takin' the pix, both with permission and without. I never refuse, I may whine that the truck is dirty (if it is) and I've even moved it so they could get better shots. Most drivers are flattered and do not mind.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: charlie on May 21, 2009, 04:25:28 PM
Not really a confrontation just a story with a moral - i guess. Shiny trucks = nicer drivers.  :-D

I took a photo of a ratty old Scania today - driver stopped & asked if i was taking a picture of him. I said no - i'm taking a picture of your truck. He got kinda antsy & asked why - i said it's unique & rare and all the kind words. He shook his head & drove on.

Within a 1/2 hour i took photos of a 1980 KW, a sharp Pete & a flat top Volvo. All shiny good lookin' trucks who's drivers were very friendly & couldn't do enough to make my request for a photo easier.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Wee Willy on May 31, 2009, 04:11:23 AM
I usually ask before taking a picture, but if the truck is moving and the driver makes a rude gesture or flips me the bird, I take that as they don't want their picture taken and I respect that by deleting the photo.
(then I flip them right back) :evil:

As far as photo confrontations go I've had a few potential ones,  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:, but overall about 90% of the people who have ever come toward me with a purpose in their step, and a disgruntled or threatening look on their face, usually slows down their pace a bit as they get closer to me, and the look on their face changes to one much less threatening and more of caution, when they realize I am 6'9" and weigh 290 lbs! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
(except kids and animals, they have me figured out)

On another note:
There's a lot of paranoid people out there with something to hide.
Maybe the Ex's lawyer hired an investigator to take pictures, an insurance company is after them, wanted by the law, camera shy, incognito cargos as Hank mentioned, driver recognized being in wrong location to visit a girlfriend when he should be 100 miles away, etc....... etc.

Just be polite,  respectful, and cautious.
If some firecracker gets his panties bunched up over having his picture took, just walk away and forget about it.
If they get aggressive, send em to Nate! :-D
 


Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: WesV on May 31, 2009, 05:59:15 AM
I guess I am not a very threating photographer because I do it 90% of the time from the seat of my truck (both in the truckstop and on the road).  I RARELY ever take shots of plain jane company trucks, almost every truck I get has something unique about it so most of those drivers are pretty proud someone is taking notice of their style and work, I know I am when someone compliments my truck.  If I see them in the cab I will hollar at them on the CB and mention my intentions, but if they don't respond I get the pic and move on.  So far no one has objected aside from the standard "my truck is dirty" and I hope to keep it that way.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Nate on May 31, 2009, 02:41:35 PM

If they get aggressive, send em to Nate! :-D
 

Hey, What truck are you in driver!? :evil:  :wink:
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: The DAFman on June 01, 2009, 02:28:32 AM
Hello guys,

I am following this thread for a while and it did make me smile a little bit!!!!!
Here in Europe, I did never had any troubles by making pictures!!!!! Maybe we Europeans are "less" paranoid!!!!!
The most pictures I take on our truckstops and restaerea's I make out of my truck, or walking around, having my own "resting-time"!!!!!
The only comments I got are, "you are crazy, making truckpictures for fun and even driving one!!!" For many truckdrivers in Europe it is just a job and they don't give a F.....g Damn about the rest!!!
Making truckpictures in my freetime, I always were a company jacket, pullover or shirt and always cary some pictures of my own rig!!!!!
Wearing that cloths even opened many "closed" doors, gates or get permission from security people!!!
I have visit the USA and Canada several times (Washington state, Oregon, Northern parts of California, Montana and Wyoming, British Columbia and Manitoba) and didn't have any problems at all!!! I wear also some "company" clothes and that opens also "doors"!!!!! I found out that many US/Canadian truckers do have the same interrest in European trucks and trucking as we have for US/Canada!!!!! Were even invited to see everything they could show me!!!!! Also by some company's I wishes to go on their Yards!!!!! The best thanks are still going to May-Trucking!!! They even "send" my to their Seattle yard and I was there a real "guest"!!! (with coffee, lunch, drinks and prospects, pictures and so on!!!).
Honostly, that was before 9-11!!!!! I am not so sure anymore it will function nowadays!!!
The best wishes and greetings from Germany,

Leo
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: charlie on June 17, 2009, 12:28:46 PM
If they get aggressive, send em to Nate! :-D

Thought i had one for Nate today but it turned out to be a false alarm.  :-D I was at my usual spot at Bordentown and a driver pulled over into the median and shouted out "Why are you taking pictures of trucks"?  :? Told him it was a hobby. Response was "It's not a good idea - with all the terrorism the cops will be all over me taking pictures". Told him i've met 1/2 the force & they don't have any issues with it. Response was "well i don't appreciate having my picture taken".

On the one hand since 9-11 people scream about losing rights and individual freedom - on the other hand many of the same folks would deny others the same rights they scream about losing. Make up your mind people.  :roll:
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Philatruck on July 21, 2009, 08:54:19 AM
when I take pictures of trucks and equipment, it mostly on the weekends so their is no one around to question me, the ones that I do one week days there is not a person walking around.

Also if you are talking pictures of a nice custom truck, I think the truckers expect it some times, because it is a head turner and anybody walking around with a camera will see it.

One Little confrontation.
I did take a picture of a pete 357, wich was parked behind 2 jersey barriers in front of a trailer yard, I told the quard I like taking pictures of trucks and crap, and I striked  up a conversation about companies, but their was nothing he could do, I was not trespassing, and the Pete was not owned by his company.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Sean on July 21, 2009, 09:33:37 AM
Well......when I was in Jefforsonville at the mall, I was taking pictures, standing beside a tree in the grass by the interstate............nice breeze, shade......I was happy, till the security guard came over and told me I couldnt be taking pictures there  :x I just walked away.........  :roll: Have a feeling he had nothing better to do......why couldnt he had been racing around on his little golf cart (well, he already was)  :roll:

Sean
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Ray F on September 23, 2009, 05:59:24 PM
Hey Guys I Usually Take My Pics Over at the Local Public Library, Which is also right In front of a Fire Station as well  :-D :-D I Have only Had one Confrontation There, and that was By one of the Maryland State Highway Administration Workers, I Was taking Pics of the Trucks Rolling By, and at The Time The MSHA was Trying to Build a Brick No Stopping Path in The Road for The Emergency Vehicles that are coming from That Station, One of the Workers an Older Gentleman, came up To Me and asked what I was Doing With The Camera In My Hand, I Told Him, That I take Pictures of Trucks as a Hobby and also as a Stress Reliever  :-) Then He said Thats Pretty Cool, And we Talked trucks for about at least 5 or 10 Minutes or so  :-D Pretty Cool Guy IMO  :-D I was wanting To Ask Him if Their Garage still Had the IH S2200 Tandem Axle Daycab Tractor that I used to see hooked up to a Lowboy, That Truck was one SWEET Sounding truck  :-D :-D But I Guess that would have been a Little NOSY, I Guess  :|
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: coloradogreen on April 10, 2010, 10:18:26 AM
I don't get much of a problem when I'm taking photos in passing. Of course, 90% of the time they're ecstatic when I tell them we'd like to do an article on it. One of my favorite parts are the reactions most people have when you tell them they're truck's going into a magazine.

Troy.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Huskidrive on April 10, 2010, 11:19:09 AM
Here is a guide to your legal rights as photograhers. I found this quite an interesting read. It's worth printing out if confronted by law enforcement or just a plain idiot! Carl

http://www.krages.com/ThePhotographersRight.pdf
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: charlie on April 10, 2010, 12:12:21 PM
I've always got a couple of copies of that in my car. All photographers (truck,train.ship & rail) have given up a lot since 9-11 in the name of security but there are still a lot of things you can and are allowed to do - just gotta know what they are. :-)
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Huskidrive on April 10, 2010, 01:05:55 PM
Another good source of info...............http://www.andrewkantor.com/useful/Legal-Rights-of-Photographers.pdf
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: gjljr727 on May 04, 2010, 03:40:28 AM
At the end of a long day I stopped for fuel at the Loves' in Ripon, CA. While the truck was fueling I got out the camera & took a couple of quick shots of the trucks next to me on the fuel island. One of the drivers came scurrying up to me & asked: Did you hit my truck?
Me: No
Him: Well, why are you taking pictures?
Me: I collect truck pictures.
Him: Why in the world would you want to do that?
Me: It's just a hobby.
Him: (shaking his head) After sitting in that truck all day you want to take pictures of trucks.
Me: Yep, have a good one.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: gjljr727 on May 04, 2010, 03:54:55 AM
Several years ago I had a US Xpress local driver get right in my face about taking a picture of "his" truck. He went off on his right to privacy, etc. I just stood there & glared back at him. He finally waddled back to "his" truck & drove off. I was really surprised to get that kind of reaction from a fellow driver. Now I always politely ask if it's ok to take a picture.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: John L. Becker on May 09, 2010, 01:09:24 AM
Him: Why in the world would you want to do that?
Me: It's just a hobby.

When I'm asked that question, sometimes I hit them with "Do you like racing (NASCAR, etc.)?" When they reply "Yes", I ask them why, it's jsut of bunch of cars going fast and turning left?" They then say it's fun. I then tell them taking pictures of trucks is fun to me. That usually makes them shut their pie-holes!
HOWEVER, if they have serious foreign accents, then all bets are off! I'm unable to understand them!
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Nate on May 09, 2010, 07:51:25 PM
I was confronted by a Sysco driver a few weeks before vacation. I was a bit taken back by his approach as I had taken pics of his truck before and he had waved. The only reason I was photographing him this time was becase he had a new livery trailer and I had yet to get one. I explained my hobby and why I do it, and he requested I delete his picture, which I did. I told him his truck was already on hanks and told him where he could find it. For a confrontation it went well, much better than a few I've had in the truckstops.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Greg_E on May 09, 2010, 08:06:29 PM
I've been stopped at least 3 times in the past 2 or 3 months. My last trip to the overpass resulted in someone calling Homeland Security on me. I don't mind telling the cops what I'm up to though, I have nothing to hide. :lol:
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Rob Archer on May 10, 2010, 03:03:43 AM
HOMELAND SECURITY?
Why would they call Homeland Security?
I can understand the local police showing up; unfortunately too many local urchins like to throw objects at passing vehicles.
The police should check to make sure nothing untoward is going on.
I don't understand Homeland security though.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Greg_E on May 10, 2010, 01:18:22 PM
It was a local cop from the township I was in Rob, but he told me that it was reasoned for Homeland Security. Apparently I'm not the only truck photographer to have been called in either.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: charlie on May 10, 2010, 01:29:17 PM
Apparently I'm not the only truck photographer to have been called in either.

Maybe they'll be mass arrests at Macungie next month when all these truck enthusiasts get together - sorta like when La Casa Nostra members were all rounded up by the FBI in the 1960's? :? :-P Didya at least get the name of the other truck photographer Greg? :? :-D
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Greg_E on May 10, 2010, 01:37:26 PM
Paul mentioned he'd been stopped for the same reason in another thread. :wink: Philatruck takes pictures around town too, but other than that you're the only other one that occassionally makes stops in Philadelphia Charlie. :lol:
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: hwyhaulier on May 10, 2010, 03:19:29 PM
HOMELAND SECURITY?
Why would they call Homeland Security?
I can understand the local police showing up; unfortunately too many local urchins like to throw objects at passing vehicles.
The police should check to make sure nothing untoward is going on.
I don't understand Homeland security though.   

Rob -

SIGH! Don't "excuse" out of it, claiming ignorance of the crazies South Of (Your) Border! Here's the rule: Because there is money it in!

The Polizei surely get bonus points, and budget help, in cooperation with Homeland Security. How else to explain a completely mindless
run of TV spots along lines of: "You will wear seat belts, and you will enjoy it"! Who, might we suppose, financing this? <G>

Else: This entire thread, otherwise. Just ask! "Confrontation" is such a loaded word. Go with the flow. No accounting for anyone else's
"touchy" moments. People are like that...

.........................Vern....................
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Philatruck on May 10, 2010, 11:50:15 PM
Apparently I'm not the only truck photographer to have been called in either.

Paul mentioned he'd been stopped for the same reason in another thread. :wink: Philatruck takes pictures around town too, but other than that you're the only other one that occassionally makes stops in Philadelphia Charlie. :lol:

Wasn't Me, Police never stopped me yet, I am Too stealthy, I usually take pics not during work days, and if I do they are off on side streets, away from the public.

I dislike it when truckers say it violates their privacy, it's not like we stalk them 24/7 like a paparazzi, and they also says it "violates" their privacy, where not violating their privacy unless their doing something illegal. If I would ever to confront a person, I would give them facts only an industry insider would know, just to show how serious our hobby is, and we are not the bad guys.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: charlie on August 26, 2010, 11:17:51 PM
I got outed at Carneys Point today. :-D While taking pics just a bit east of the Flying J entrance a local LEO pulled up and asked me how things were going. Seems they'd gotten a call that someone was photographing the tankers leaving the DuPont plant (which by the way is probably a 1/2 mile west of where i was  :roll:). The cop was cool but did have to mention the dreaded "since 911" phrase in telling me the reason he was there.

I explained my interest in truck photography, handed him one of my cards and he then called dispatch to say all was ok and i was out in the open and just taking pictures of trucks. As soon as he left my phone rang and it was Police HQ's verifying i was the person who had just spoken with the officer. In the future it was suggested i notify the dispatcher when i'm in the area & just go about my business.

I got a feeling a local tanker yanker delivering gas across the road at the Valero was just being "overly cautious" and called me in as i noticed him glancing over at me several times. No confrontation just another thing that happens while out trying to enjoy the day truckfanning. :-(
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Greg_E on August 26, 2010, 11:40:35 PM
I got outed at Carneys Point today. :-D While taking pics just a bit east of the Flying J entrance a local LEO pulled up and asked me how things were going. Seems they'd gotten a call that someone was photographing the tankers leaving the DuPont plant (which by the way is probably a 1/2 mile west of where i was  :roll:). The cop was cool but did have to mention the dreaded "since 911" phrase in telling me the reason he was there.

I explained my interest in truck photography, handed him one of my cards and he then called dispatch to say all was ok and i was out in the open and just taking pictures of trucks. As soon as he left my phone rang and it was Police HQ's verifying i was the person who had just spoken with the officer. In the future it was suggested i notify the dispatcher when i'm in the area & just go about my business.

I got a feeling a local tanker yanker delivering gas across the road at the Valero was just being "overly cautious" and called me in as i noticed him glancing over at me several times. No confrontation just another thing that happens while out trying to enjoy the day truckfanning. :-(
Tell-tale sign is when people look at you more than once. Glad to see more cops that are still cool about it. 8-)
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: gjljr727 on August 27, 2010, 03:07:18 AM
A large local company bought a large orchard near my house they built warehouses on most of it & on the corner they built retail buildings. Starbucks, Subway, Carls Jr & a pizza place moved in.

On the main road in front of all this there is a never ending parade of trucks. I started getting a cup of coffee at Starbucks & parking out of the way & shooting up a storm.

After about 2 weeks a van pulled up behind me & 2 nice fellas got out & walked up to my car. They were security from the company that owns the property. They greeted me by name & asked why I was taking pictures of traffic. Was I working on a "case", was I gathering information for some reason. Their security cameras had picked me up, they ran my plates & said they knew who I was & that I lived in town.

I told them I am a semi-retired truck driver & I collect pictures of trucks. Would that be a problem? They thought about this for a bit & then said no No problem. We just had to find out what you were up to. They shook my hand & said "enjoy".

This happened about 2 months ago & they now just let me go about my business. They probably say "Oh, that's just that weird guy taking pictures of trucks" :-D
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: barraclou on August 27, 2010, 03:42:23 AM
One day or another, we all get our "unwanted interview(s)". Often, that's because they have a lack of knowledge or/and are idiots or/and are power tripping. On the other hand, you can always reply that if they don't do anything wrong or have something to hide, they won't have any problem and you want to take picture to preserve transportation heritage, then they got nice specimens for your truck pictures collection. Another trick I use is to keep a few prints in a baggie with me. If they ask about the pictures, you can show what type of pictures you do, then you're just interested by the truck, not the load, the driver, the license plate number, his book, the fuel colour and anything else.

By the way, how come rent-a-cops can check license plate numbers without being real cops? Here, the police dispatcher won't give details to the cops unless they give their matricule in the request. Often, they would ask again for their number to complete their info request. Also, the DMV fired employees who search the database and resold infos to round their paychecks.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: norseman on August 27, 2010, 08:14:00 AM
I got outed at Carneys Point today. :-D While taking pics just a bit east of the Flying J entrance a local LEO pulled up and asked me how things were going. Seems they'd gotten a call that someone was photographing the tankers leaving the DuPont plant (which by the way is probably a 1/2 mile west of where i was  :roll:). The cop was cool but did have to mention the dreaded "since 911" phrase in telling me the reason he was there.

I explained my interest in truck photography, handed him one of my cards and he then called dispatch to say all was ok and i was out in the open and just taking pictures of trucks. As soon as he left my phone rang and it was Police HQ's verifying i was the person who had just spoken with the officer. In the future it was suggested i notify the dispatcher when i'm in the area & just go about my business.

I got a feeling a local tanker yanker delivering gas across the road at the Valero was just being "overly cautious" and called me in as i noticed him glancing over at me several times. No confrontation just another thing that happens while out trying to enjoy the day truckfanning. :-(

Yeah, that's one of the reason why I prefer taking my pictures away from crowded places (which pretty much means west of ol' Miss, hehe)... Knowing full well that most people think anyone taking pictures of trucks are either mentally retarded or crazy, or terrorists, or all of the above, I prefer taking my pictures pretty much out in the middle of nowhere, along an Interstate somewhere, like at the Archway on I-80 in Nebraska, or the like, where the chances for being approached are slim. I would simply not feel comfortable taking truck pics in the middle of a truck stop area like you do, Charlie, due to the fact that I don't like being looked at funny (hehe), plus the chances for being approached are so much greater than out in the middle of nowhere. I'm glad, though, that you feel comfortable doing it, as I sure do enjoy the results of your "truck fannin' in crowded places". :wink:

Jan.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: hwyhaulier on August 27, 2010, 11:40:50 AM
Charlie -

Great way you played it. Yes, it is a good idea to check in with local Police Dispatch to let
them know you are on the scene. If more is said, mention you would be happy to stop by
at their office, or talk with a field Officer...

Keep tuning it up! Maybe you'll hit the level of dealing with the paranoid steel plants (should
you find any) or (GASP!) US DoE sites (that glow at night)...

........................Vern.....................
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: charlie on August 27, 2010, 12:40:13 PM
I'm glad, though, that you feel comfortable doing it, as I sure do enjoy the results of your "truck fannin' in crowded places". :wink:

Jan.

Thanks Jan. East coast or urban truck fanning does have it's own baggage - i just get tired of being singled out cause i'm taking photographs.  :x On the other hand it's much easier dealing with a LEO than some loony tunes truck driver who thinks you're gonna turn them in for any variety of reasons.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: hwyhaulier on August 27, 2010, 01:20:40 PM
Charlie -

We do have an element in the "On The Road" guys who are dodging ex- wives, and local sheriffs!
Tune in on the endless, sad C & W tunes on point! <G>

BTW: Next level above "glow in the dark" sites? As this is not a secure line, we can't mention known
sites in NV, ID, WA, UT, et. seq.!

.....................Vern....................
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: TXRedlined on August 28, 2010, 01:31:54 AM
Look guys.  Prior to 9/11 no one would have given a second thought to someone taking pictures.  Unfortunately the environment we live in today is different.  These people confronting you are doing their jobs and everyone should be thankful they are.  There are legitimate concerns with terrorist cells gathering information for future attacks via the trucking industry.  Additionally there is paranoia with organized crime and people gathering info.   So this is our life today.   Try to understand the situation from their standpoint and be respectful to their requests.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: charlie on August 28, 2010, 01:52:04 AM
These people confronting you are doing their jobs and everyone should be thankful they are.  There are legitimate concerns with terrorist cells gathering information for future attacks via the trucking industry.  Additionally there is paranoia with organized crime and people gathering info.   So this is our life today.   Try to understand the situation from their standpoint and be respectful to their requests.

Between skirted trailers, aero tractors and all these paranoid drivers out there i may have to do my future truck fanning via Google Earth or Bing Maps.........which btw provides all the info and more needed for any bad guys without having to go out and actually snap photos and work up a sweat.

As i told the LEO who stopped by to talk to me and brought up the 911 reference about terrorists and such "yep that's me just hiding in plain site".  :roll: I understand all the concern......believe me i do......but i also hate to see an individuals rights cast aside too.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Rick Sousa on August 28, 2010, 04:21:29 AM
Geez now Charlie is a radical watchout Osama "The Charlie"  is out there with 7/16 wrench dismantling skirted trailers for photo's. :wink:
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Ray F on August 28, 2010, 05:49:38 AM
Geez now Charlie is a radical watchout Osama "The Charlie"  is out there with 7/16 wrench dismantling skirted trailers for photo's. :wink:
ROFL !!!!!  :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: norseman on August 28, 2010, 09:08:03 AM
I understand all the concern......believe me i do......but i also hate to see an individuals rights cast aside too.

Exactly. :-(

Jan.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: charlie on August 28, 2010, 04:04:56 PM
I prefer Bordentown - ever since they got rid of their security detail.

Thanks for the tip Bill - i've been thinking of strolling through the Petro lot again. 8-)
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Jimmy B on August 28, 2010, 06:04:42 PM
Geez now Charlie is a radical watchout Osama "The Charlie"  is out there with 7/16 wrench dismantling skirted trailers for photo's. :wink:

Rick,

What a good kick I got out of your reply, thanks for the chuckle.

Jimmy B
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: charlie on August 28, 2010, 07:34:49 PM
Geez now Charlie is a radical watchout Osama "The Charlie"  is out there with 7/16 wrench dismantling skirted trailers for photo's. :wink:

Don't think it will ever come to that Rick but if the bounty on my head ever approaches the $25 million like he's got on his i'll call you. :-D You can capture me & we'll split it - deal? :? On the other hand since i retired my wife does refer to me as Charlie bin nappin' every so often. :-P :lol:
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: barraclou on August 30, 2010, 02:28:07 AM
Between skirted trailers, aero tractors and all these paranoid drivers out there i may have to do my future truck fanning via Google Earth or Bing Maps.........which btw provides all the info and more needed for any bad guys without having to go out and actually snap photos and work up a sweat.

As i told the LEO who stopped by to talk to me and brought up the 911 reference about terrorists and such "yep that's me just hiding in plain site".  :roll: I understand all the concern......believe me i do......but i also hate to see an individuals rights cast aside too.

That's also my mind and we do so, why a terrorist would work his *** off to get himself all the info on location while he can do it discretely from his home/business/school/public library computer. For what they want to do, they don't care if it is a rare Marmon or a common Columbia they see, they just have to google for the first truck picture or look by the window to see one.  Also, the terrorists want to scare us / to change our habits. If we do so, they win. We always pay for the dumb minority who abuses from us.


For the US, the Photographer's rights sheet is always good to have on you: http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm

For Canada, it is basically on this page: http://ambientlight.ca/laws.php
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: TXRedlined on August 30, 2010, 02:56:21 PM
The point I was hoping to make is how people respond to being questioned about taking pictures does make a difference.  We have a lot of younger people on Hank’s that can easily be swayed by comments made on the site. IMHO give respect, get respect.  The LEOs and the security guards are just doing their jobs.  I have not seen anywhere in this thread where cameras were confiscated or a photographer was physically abused or thrown in jail for taking pictures of trucks.   As far as I can tell, people have just been inconvenienced when asked what they are doing. And as to using Google Earth and other imagery sites the data is old and resolution is not of high enough quality to provide specific detail to anyone with subversive intent.   And yes,  anyone with subversive intent is not going to stand in plain sight and take pictures but the average Joe Blow does not know that and gets concerned.  I am just saying that everyone needs to understand the situation and respect it for what it is.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: norseman on August 30, 2010, 03:22:45 PM
I am just saying that everyone needs to understand the situation and respect it for what it is.

I understand the overreaction and hysteria in the world in general today and respect it for what it is. :roll:

Jan.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Running Pete on August 30, 2010, 06:55:47 PM
There should be overreaction and hysteria, but it is just lopsided and aimed at the wrong people...hint, hint!
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: JP on August 31, 2010, 06:01:40 AM
As far as the police are concerned I believe the United States is slowly becoming a police state.
That's all I got to say about that. :wink:
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: norseman on August 31, 2010, 06:53:43 AM
As far as the police are concerned I believe the United States is slowly becoming a police state.
That's all I got to say about that. :wink:

Sadly, I am afraid you may have a point.  :|

Jan.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Kevin Young on June 12, 2011, 04:13:05 AM
Ever try taking a picture at a blue beacon....   ;D
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: The Yellow Line on June 12, 2011, 05:50:30 AM
Ever try taking a picture at a blue beacon....   ;D

Yes, many times, and without problems. ;)
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Kevin Young on June 13, 2011, 02:42:13 AM
They give me crap all the time ...
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: sib3rius on January 17, 2013, 09:51:04 PM
I've never had any real issues, usually when I'm taking pictures I'll wave at the driver and usually do the peace gesture and they'll smile and wave back, sometimes they even honk, whether it's a good working truck that's seen lots of action or a more cleaner ride, some even make funny faces to try and grab my attention as they're driving by! When a truck's parked and if I see the driver around more likely than not they'll ask why I'm taking pictures, but when I explain that I'm an enthusiast and love taking pictures, they start telling me the specs, and just take pride in their ride, and that really makes my spotting trips worthwhile. I do remember where I had a tiny incident that didn't even involve a driver, but a regular bystander, just as I finished filming a truck going by, they asked me "Do you work for that company?" Then I explained that I'm a spotter and enthusiast, and do this for fun, then they tried discouraging me up until I pointed the camera at them and started filming them instead of the trucks, then they left me be. Other than that, haven't had any real problems, just alot of waving, smiling, and honking :)
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Philatruck on April 07, 2013, 03:57:49 PM
Just wondering, but has anybody been confronted by any type of animals? I remember about 5 years ago, I took a picture of some heavy equipment and there where some stray black cats. I thought the momma cat was going to attack me.

(http://i528.photobucket.com/albums/dd327/catm318c/jdm/jdm83_zps99307746.jpg:original)

Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Ray F on April 07, 2013, 04:05:22 PM
Just wondering, but has anybody been confronted by any type of animals? I remember about 5 years ago, I took a picture of some heavy equipment and there where some stray black cats. I thought the mom was going to attack me.

(http://i528.photobucket.com/albums/dd327/catm318c/jdm/jdm83_zps0b268762.jpg:original)
I've been confronted by a bunch of birds that looked like they were apart of somekind of terrorist organization once lol
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: TWP on April 07, 2013, 04:20:29 PM
Philatruck
that picture is clearly a "right to privacy" issue!
Go to a playground and try that with a Mom and her kid.
Jail for sure! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: TWP on April 07, 2013, 04:30:45 PM
Personally, I have only confronted twice, 1st driver approached me to see if I was Bylaw as he was
parked on the wrong side of the road AND off-loading on the street without the use of
flag personnel. I told him I just like trucks, he gave me the  :o and his blessing to snap away. :)
 2nd driver approached me and told
me his Company and Workers Compensation Board made it against policy
to have pictures taken of their trucks.
It was total bunk I know, I just showed him the picture and then hit erase
to appease whatever his reasoning was.
I'll catch it later when he has no choice. 8) ;D
-Ted
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: NHRS on April 08, 2013, 02:06:48 PM
Loved the animal thing. Late one night in the late 70's, I was headed around the LA-Long Beach harbors with an export load, trying to find a container-line whose dock I'd never been to before.

I'd had the LA area map ever since I'd been running there, but even so, that crooked area between those 2 ports was somewhat confusing & I turned one block too soon. I ended up on the dock the tugboats for the harbors used, & they were all out right at that moment.

But I was being watched very intently. On that dock, sat more cats than I'd ever seen in one place in my entire life.

Wished later than somebody had been in. If I could have made friends, riding around on those tugs when laying over would have made the trip.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Ray F on April 09, 2013, 08:56:34 AM
"I've been confronted by a bunch of birds that looked like they were apart of somekind of terrorist organization once lol"

Ray did the birds look like these?
(http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k534/Doaline/Misc%20Pics/terroristgeese.jpg)
Sort of LOL !!! Except the were the Low Flying Kamazi Seagulls,  ;) They stole My Food too, bunch of Pirates  ::) :D
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: The Fugitive on May 26, 2013, 02:51:31 PM
Ive had two confrontations 1 in Boston I had taken a shot of a can haulier and his mate in another truck came over mouthing off not to take pics of his truck when I pointed out I dont take pics of stock cars his mate was rolling on the ground laughing his head off. THE SECOND WAS IN Vegas when Smokie Bear screached to a halt in the Luxor parking lot jumpted out all tooled up and made straight for me. I turned round in time to see my wife hot footing it down the road I thought your on your own BOB He asked me if I was going Hijack the truck when I explained i have about 3000 miles of water to cross he spent about 20 mins telling me where the truck parking lots were. So when we got home my long suffering wife got me business cards printed from E BAY you get about 200 for pennys and if I see the driver its polite to ask.   BOB>
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: sib3rius on August 08, 2014, 06:39:43 PM
Just a few days ago I had the day off and decided to hit up Manning Pit that's just outside my neighborhood since I didn't feel like going to the freeway to take pictures, and at that pit there's dump trucks going in and out all day so the streets get pretty truck heavy, which is good news for me. I've been doing so for the past year or so when activity really picked up because the City of Irwindale wants that pit filled in as soon as possible so the trucks aren't going away anytime soon; which translates to a lot of opportunity to catch the different rigs I see in action. The flagmen as I call them (the ones who stop traffic to let the trucks go out) would always see me and never mind me, but up until a few days ago one of them yelled out across the street "Why are you taking pictures?" then I yelled back "truck fan!" so once traffic cleared I walked across the street explaining how I'm a truck enthusiast and how it's a hobby of mine when I'm not working, and it's as if I struck a chord with the guy, then soon enough we were talking as if we were long time buddies, he was sharing with me stories from when he used to be a truck driver and used to pull cans to and from the ports in Long Beach and how he used to work for Consolidated Freightways and also recommending different areas where there's plenty trucks that I know I'll have a photo frenzy over; then once he got back on the topic of taking pictures at the pit, he told me that at first I was making the drivers nervous because they thought I was from the press or working with the police to bust former cons but he quickly disregarded that once I told him about my hobby and interest, and was simply doing it for fun and to recognize and highlight the activity that's happening in my hometown and he seemed thrilled about that. Then not long afterwards, the supervisor shows up, the one who oversees the pit operations as well the main trucking company that's been contracted to take care of the matter, and he was really thrilled that someone was actually taking the time to catch action shots of the trucks and just to give the drivers some recognition, and once I explained that I'm just after the truck, not the driver, nor do I want to know the drivers' backgrounds, plate numbers, just the truck. And then he gave me the go-ahead to keep on doing what I'm doing, but from a first impression when I saw him walking up to me I could tell that this guy was business, yet had a way with people, and he sure was nice! So looks like I will keep on taking photos at Manning Pit. :) The drivers also seem to like the camera, thus resulting in shots of them flashing their lights and giving the thumbs up! I had one driver jokingly tell me "I've already got enough mugshots as it is!" But then again, he's driving a fixed up Pete so why wouldn't I not get a "mugshot" of his rig? ;D
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: norseman on August 08, 2014, 11:18:16 PM
Awesome!  ;D

Jan.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Greg_E on August 09, 2014, 12:14:48 AM
Thats great Rob. I enjoy encounters like that. I had a similar situation near my local UPS hub last year. Drivers were getting nervous and the boss came out. Seemed relieved when I told him I was just doing it for a hobby. He said it was a-okay and there was no problem doing it on public property.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: The Yellow Line on August 09, 2014, 05:57:13 AM
Maybe you should have a business card made up like some members here have to explain who you are and what you do..... ::) ;D
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: NHRS on August 09, 2014, 05:59:13 AM
Hobby-Fanning is so much tougher now after 9/11, there's hardly any comparison to "the good old days". Some of that attitude is justified. Most of that attitude is control-freaks took license to feel important.

Back in the early 70's, 2 pals (God rest their souls) would come down to Lincoln twice a year for the semi-annual NMRA week-end swap-meet & model railroad convention. On the 1st evening after supper, we'd head for the "Q's" hump-yard on the west side of town, watch the action until later, when the DZ & CZ would meet right in the station.

One night, we sat in my old-even-then 52 New Yorker, on company property on their service road, only yards away from the tower & retarders, watching strings of cars that had been trains, getting re-classified. During a lull in the action, a guy came down from the tower, walked over to check us out, wondering why we were hanging out there (on company property).

When we told him, we were immediately invited to view the action from the tower.

A few years later, the Q began routing some thru-freights around that big yard, even changing crews right in the passenger station, like the passenger trains did. One night waiting for the DZ & CZ, a freight crew stood near the door to the platforms, waiting for their freight to come in. Some company policy-union stuff had them totally upset, based on their discussion.

One pal in particular, had a personality as smooth as oil on water, & when their conversation waned & they looked at us (also standing nearby) my pal said exactly the correct sympathetic-to-their-position words. They elatedly retold us their entire story. A few minutes later, their freight eased into the station, & we were all invited to ride along with them to St Joe!

Of course, to our eternal regret, we had to sadly thank them & politely refuse.

Another time, a Sunday PM at Pacific Junction Iowa, where the Q's Lines East becomes Lines West, we enjoyed hanging out again, right on company property, with only the yard's hostler on duty. After he'd checked us out, we were invited to ride along with him as he moved some "power" around the ready tracks. On Q's "motors" at the time, if not still, there were always 3 seats in the cab, so with 4 guys, somebody stands.

I was the one standing, & as soon as the hostler had the BN F-45 moving, he stood, insisted I take the engineer's seat. so for a few brief minutes, at the hostler's direction, I had the privilege of operating more horsepower than ever before or since.

And yes! The feedback from that 8-notch EMD control stand was phenomenal.  Each notch takes the rev's of a 567 up or down about 80 rpm, & the turbo sings it's spool-up or decay song instantly. I've always found it hard to believe they actually hafta pay people to do that!

What was fun, too, before we moved, he set the brakes, & then notched it up a couple of notches for a second or two. The torque from that massive prime-mover, made the F-45 lean over slightly when he did that. Never expected that. Had no idea they were sprung that soft.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: hwyhaulier on August 09, 2014, 06:51:55 AM
NHRS - All -

Splendid and remarkable account! Thanks...

................................Vern.............................
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Mister TyZo on August 09, 2014, 11:48:03 AM
NHRS - All -

Splendid and remarkable account! Thanks...

................................Vern.............................

 ;) X 2....
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: norseman on August 09, 2014, 03:04:20 PM
X3! 8) 

Jan.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: charlie on August 09, 2014, 03:13:51 PM
Glad to hear of the positive outcome. :) Just goes to show not all of the folks who are given a teensy weensy bit of authority are all d&cks or maybe that's just an east coast thing. ;D :-\
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: NHRS on August 09, 2014, 04:10:02 PM
Glad to hear of the positive outcome. :) Just goes to show not all of the folks who are given a teensy weensy bit of authority are all d&cks or maybe that's just an east coast thing. ;D :-\

I've always heard that about the east coast, but I dearly loved running there. Big fan of Mexican food out west (actually memorized all the menus at the decent places to park a rig). Then as a driver, got to run east, & fell in love all over again, with Italian food. Hit the Bob's Big Boy where I-90/I-80 split just west of Cleveland one evening, "All you can eat Spaghetti".

Okay!! And when they bring the shaker with the ground hot peppers (in Nebraska only pizza places do that), I knew even the fast-food guys were serious. Within a year, I had to hold up an arm when walking away from the truck, so folks could tell if I was walking or rolling. Ended up having to loose 70 pounds.

East Coast does have a different mentality. If you've got a chip on your shoulder, they'll be elated to knock it off. You gotta start the nice-guy stuff yourself, sneaky like.

For instance, unloaded 1st time at Wetteralls, on the south of Pittsburg, right on the south side of I-70 , where I-70 starts to climb a hill going east. It's severe up & down there, nothing level. The dock guys were fairly terse, everybody acted like they'd had a nail sandwich for breakfast.

I decided I'd mess with that attitude a little. About the 3rd time Mr. Glum wheeled into my trailer with the fork lift to pull the pallet I'd stacked I began, "I've been told this area's big-time football country, Ditka, Wannstedt, all them guys!"

He says, "So??" I respond, 'Where the heck's a hunk of ground around here that's 50 yards wide & 100 yards long, that's level enough for a football field?"

He begins to smile & even laughs a little, & the grumpy act quit.

Went back to NYC with my airline kid a few years back. He'd been downtown a couple of times from LGA, but wanted to re-check the best routing with the desk clerk at the hotel where the airline puts him up. That desk clerk got so excited about us going to his favorite Chinese place for lunch (said it was hard to find, looked terrible from the outside, but fantastic food). I thought for while he was gonna lock up & go with us.

That same day, working our way back to LGA (Son got my picture standing in front of the "Men In Black" setting near Battery Park) we had to go north on the subway, & then real soon, get off & catch an eastbound subway. The map we were looking at showed 2 stations where that was possible. We were straphangers, & a guy in cold-weather work clothes sitting nearby heard our speculation, so he asked were we were trying to go. We told him, & he immediately told us which one he liked best for that transfer.

We thanked him, & the next stop was his. As he headed for the door, he said, "You guys have a nice trip!"

For every guy I've found on the "dirty side" who refuses to give me his grump, I've found 3 or 4 who're looking for any excuse to get out of it. I've heard from a lot of guys who do "The Big Apple" that it really changed for the better after 9/11.

Anyway, it was loads of fun. Plus, trying to always leave a loading dock or a convenience store with everybody smiling &/or laughing makes for a interesting hobby with no expense.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: hwyhaulier on August 10, 2014, 05:55:27 AM
NHRS - All -

Good observations about the East!If an outsider uses some common sense, and acts right,
it is amazing what can be done in New York Metro! It is, in fact and relying on my perception,
full of so many folks who feel lost in the abundant humanity, many just want someone to
talk to, and extend some interest and respect...

Your writer worked it as an effective Sales strategy for a long while. Nice people. In the NY
insanity, so many just feel lost...

..............................Vern................................
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: NHRS on August 10, 2014, 06:37:17 AM
Vern, I fully concur!

Glad I took other courses & never messed with psych at UNL, since by necessity while doing hard-learned lessons for several years, visited a hands-on psych-lab called loading docks, several times a week, wanting real bad to get BOL's signed.

The lessons learned there applied in every location I found since then.

Left coast, not so much. Few matured beyond the 5th grade emotionally out there. Those few who did, stand out like heroes in my memories. Child psychology was the rule there. Most there were too wrapped up in themselves to notice anybody else.

Arizona however, seemed to display a strong work-ethic. When I'd pull into a Phoenix yard, walk to the dock office carrying my BOL's, the dock guys would yell (nice mornings in Phoenix. Dock doors always open), "What to you have for us today, Driver?" They seemed elated their employer had ordered my freight, which they regarded as job-security, not punishment.

As you say, the east coast is filled with lonely people. If you act decent & pleasant, since they are very competitive, a little contest begins, based on the premise, "I can be nicer to this guy, than he's being nice to me!" I've left docks than began sorta grumpy, that obviously would like to stay that way, by being friends for life.

Always gotta find an angle to break thru that eastern armor. One afternoon, delivering a few pallets of frozen junk-food just south of I-55 in Chicago. The dock wasn't overt in-your-face with their grump, but it was terse. Decided to try thawing it out.

I had to stack my floorload on their "small wood". No big deal, but had time between the fork guy coming in to pull my freight. A small pale older guy who obviously worked their was restacking a previous delivery nearby, & when the fork guy came to pull my pallet, he'd speak to this guy, in an unfamiliar language, & the this older guy would nod. Sure wasn't Spanish. Since Chicago is among the last places left where ethnic can be a plus instead of a minus, I was curious.

When the fork guy pulled into my trailer, I asked, "None of my business, but what language do you guys speak?" He told me it was Polish (definitely no surprise in Chicago. Remember the great newspaper columns for years by Mike Royko).

That was the opening for my thaw-out story, which I told. I read a few months earlier, how a Texas Polish community had a Priest from Poland fill their pulpit for a summer vacation switch. He began Mass one day, with several older ladies the only ones in attendance. At the place in the Mass where the Priest turns away to face the Alter & not the congregation, he continued with the liturgy, & without thinking he slipped into Polish as he spoke.

That part of the liturgy required a congregational response, but instead there was only silence from those few ladies. He turned around to see why they hadn't responded, & saw that they were all in tears.

This Chicago fork-lift guy liked that story, & was clearly more friendly pulling the rest of my freight. You can usually thaw folks out if you can find some values you share with them.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: hwyhaulier on August 10, 2014, 07:08:20 AM
NHRS - All -

Funny thing. Now then, the local Family which controls several SHOP RITE locations here. Meant to chat
with the Store Manager whether they do 'exit interviews' with the 'kids' (most working their way with
college), who usually have roles (like a band) on 'keyboards' where they collect the money. Over the
years, your writer has noted some real stars at Customer Relations. Some are real 'keepers'!

Last few days, I chatted with a young 'un from NC with much promise. Her grievances that (and I knew
it) the 'keyboards' jobs are very intense. Not all are predisposed to do it well! This young 'un also
with a complaint that a small percentage of customers simply don't act right! Told this young lady that:
It helps if you know some Psychology, regardless your intended major. We do have our share of folks,
who walk in off the streets, and don't know how to act right!...

Moral? Your 'up the street' grocery works with much the same we all know in freight?

N.B. Yes, so many, many in New York are so lonely. That's another set of tales...

.................................Vern.............................
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Iowa80 on May 26, 2015, 01:44:54 PM
I haven't experienced anything too dramatic yet (and hopefully never), but I figured I'll put my two cents in here anyways.  I often take my pictures at cul-de-sacs or roads that get close to the highway, so there have been a couple occasions where somebody from a nearby house (to make myself clear, I am not taking pictures from private property) and politely ask what I'm doing.  After telling them I'm taking pictures of trucks going by on the highway, they're fine with that and leave me alone afterwards, although there was one time when someone asked me to move to a slightly different spot, and that new spot turned out to be a better one anyway.

Also, the last time I came to my spot at the interchange of I-469 and U. S. 24, an older guy pulled up in a car and started out with the typical "how has your day been" and then "what are you doing?"  He said he had seen my at cul-de-sacs before and recognized me by my baseball cap (BTW I always wear a baseball cap when taking pictures for two reasons: obviously, to keep the sun out of my face, and secondly, to decrease the chance of being recognized by classmates or other people I know).  After realizing that I am a truck enthusiast, he asked me had I been in a Class 8 type truck before (in fact, I have, but that's another story).  He then said he knew a guy who worked at a nearby truck dealer, and offered to give me his (the guy in the car) phone number and set up an appointment with the guy at the dealer and show me and take me for a ride in a semi tractor.  Now, don't get me wrong here - I would've loved to do that, but I told him "thanks for the offer, but I'll pass" because, for one, the people at the dealer probably wouldn't like it when they saw that I'm still in high school, and also my parents would never let me make deals with strangers like that, so if I did I wouldn't be surprised if they banned me from going out and taking pictures for quite a while.

I don't really mind people who live nearby asking me what I'm doing because they have a right to make sure I'm not just around to cause trouble.  I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that I don't ever end up in a really crazy situation while taking pictures.   
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: NHRS on May 26, 2015, 05:28:52 PM
Manners are everything.

Always remain out in the open in plain sight. Move easy & deliberately, no scurrying around, never acting like hiding something. Act open & friendly when approached. If an attitude is exposed, let it come from Mr/Mrs we-can't-mind-our-own-business. That gets verified later, & in your favor, if push turns into shove.

Lucked out as a kid, since nobody cared about a kid hanging around those dirty old trains, except railroad-guys. Acting super courteous, obedient (they took a chance even letting a kid hang out around their equipment, so you did exactly what they said, the instant they said it), & developing a decent personality was essential.

Ended in those early teen-age years, with cab-rides while drilled our house-track, riding their freight 24 miles to meet the passenger train, then riding home with the motorman in his cab on the passenger train.

Years later, full grown adult, hang out with 2 like-minded cool guys (God rest their souls), around major division-point yards, dressed so nice & manners to polite, would at first scare the rail-guys on duty, that we were officials. Once that misunderstanding got cleared up (they approach to feel us out), we'd spend the rest of the evening riding in switchers, inside diesel shops, or watching the hump yard from the control tower.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: sib3rius on June 02, 2015, 11:00:40 PM
I can relate when it comes to taking pictures in neighborhoods that have freeways relatively close by... I favor it because it's in a neighborhood so if something were to happen to me (taunted, theft) there'd be witnesses. And not to mention parking close by so the car is always within view. Most if not all the time cars and pedestrians will pass by on the footbridges that I take pictures from but rarely does someone ask.. even then they're curious to know what I do. Usually I'll hand them a business card that I keep on hand to save me the explaining. So now it's more of "read the business card, ask questions later" but it certainly helps! However there was one time where someone (I don't know who) or it just so happened a Sheriff was in the neighborhood and saw what I was doing but even then as I saw his car pull up I prepared for the worst... so I greeted him with a smile and a wave and then he asked what I did and whatnot, but long story short he wanted to make sure I wasn't a terrorist since I was on a bridge taking pictures and wanted to make sure I was alright. I made a reference to train spotting since I know they get this a lot so that right away put him at ease and sure enough ended up chit chatting before he had to respond to a call. So far that's the only police encounter I've had when it comes to truck spotting. But even with the risk that comes with being in a neighborhood and taking photos at a nearby overpass, it's worth it.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: partsman88 on July 20, 2015, 06:49:33 PM
So I got harassed by a driver for Payne Trucking out of Fredricksburg VA today. I have a spot I like to go to on a 2-lane road in an industrial park where I see a lot of commercial trucks coming in and out. I was on lunch, sitting in my spot grabbing shots with my phone when I see this nice looking Peterbilt 386 come along with a sharp looking long haul dump trailer. Snapped a few pics of it. I noticed him slow down and pull off to the side, but didn't think anything of it, because a lot of dump trucks do that daily. He didn't have his tarp on so I assumed he pulled over to put it on, since he just picked up a load. I kept glancing at both sides of the road looking for new trucks when I notice him start walking towards me from about 500 feet away. Still didn't think anything of it, he kept moseying on over until he finally got super close to my car (I was sitting in it with the windows up and the a/c on because it was insanely hot today (for VA standards). Finally he takes out his phone, first snapped a shot of my license plate, then a full body shot of my car, then walked up to my window and took a picture of me. He struck me as kinda creepy, and I knew from this thread where it was headed. So I rolled down my window, let him proceed with the questioning, told him I enjoy truck photos, let him know a little about my background (pops is a truck driver, my brother is a diesel tech). I tried to remember what you guys mentioned in this thread, because even though I've been approached a couple times they didn't give off the same weird vibe as this guy. But then the guy went on the attack, immediately told me to delete all the pictures and that I needed to let him see me delete the photos as I did not have the right to take pictures because he didn't give his consent. I tried and failed to check myself because I was upset over him taking personal photos of me and my car. I verified he was just a driver for Payne and not an O/O. I told him that since he doesn't own the truck and he was in a public space his consent wouldn't matter (which in hindsight was not the best idea). But I deleted the pictures anyways because I didn't want a confrontation and I enjoy that spot (don't want to give up that spot forever but definitely also planning on taking a break from it, because I sit there a lot and a lot of truck drivers notice me sitting there). I still have the pictures though, because on my phone there's the regular delete option but you can still recover from the recycle bin before it perma-deletes in 30 days.

I feel I screwed up though because I mentioned this place, and my intentions to eventually post the pictures here. This upset him further, and I don't want any trouble, so I didn't press the issue. After he left when he was satisfied I had deleted the pictures though, I drove up to him on his way back to his truck and asked him to delete the pictures he had of me since I felt the shots he took crossed the boundary of invasion of privacy. He pulled out his phone and pressed a couple buttons, but I didn't verify that he actually deleted the shots either, so for all I know he might be hanging onto them the way I am hanging onto the shots of his truck. This upset me further so I googled Payne's number and confirmed with the lady who answered the phone that Payne as a company is completely ok with having pictures of their trucks taken. She said she would talk to him about it but I'm not expecting any resolution on it because she didn't ask me for any contact info to give me an update. I'm planning on taking a break from that spot (which sucks because it's conveniently close to my job and I love all the trucks that come through there). Just peeved because all I have on my phone is some shots of a truck and I feel like he's got pictures of me and my car on his phone. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't feel the two are similar.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: charlie on July 20, 2015, 07:37:51 PM
Every once in a while you'll run into a real 4 star a**hole in this hobby. :( Everything seems in your favor (public space, etc) & he had no right to tell you to delete your photos. I'm thinking a phone call to your local PD explaining how you were being wrongfully harrassed and even detained might have been in order.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: IowaSuperTrucker on July 20, 2015, 07:47:55 PM
Every once in awhile, truckers have a bad day.  I assume he was.  I had a run in with a Sunbelt Rental's driver a couple weeks ago that I assume was also having a bad day, I wasn't taking pictures though, he felt I was "in his parking spot"  me, in my pickup...but I always go the opposite and if I'm getting yelled at, the smarta** New Yorker in me comes out and they get it right back (it'll bite me one of these days).

Some of these confrontations catch us all off guard, but the older I get, the less tolerance I have for idiots who think everyone is out to get them.

If I was you, I would have followed the Payne driver for 15mins or so...let him get real paranoid.   ;D

Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Rob Archer on July 21, 2015, 05:22:18 AM
Wayne Crane and I were shooting trucks outside Robert's terminal in Mississauga. I think we got 8.
The ninth one to come out was from their Can Hauling division in a day cab. He stopped his truck and was yelling >:( >:( at us for taking the picture.
Wayne went to talk to him while I just ignored him.
Public Street ...you are fair game unless we are doing something to endanger lives or property.
There's one in every crowd. ::)


Locomotive Engineers can be just as bad. ::)

** On Further Reflection....I am far too old to get into physical or verbal altercations. I walk away rather than tell the idiot to F**K OFF like I feel I should.**
 
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Mister TyZo on July 21, 2015, 07:09:03 AM
** On Further Reflection....I am far too old to get into physical or verbal altercations. I walk away rather than tell the idiot to F**K OFF like I feel I should.**

 ;)  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: NHRS on July 21, 2015, 07:16:05 AM
Walk around with a camera, & the default attitude of the individual, plus that of the area's consensus seems to instantly emerge.

In this same discussion decades ago, about taking railroad pictures (that age was coming to an end. equipment getting scrapped), a camera-active pal mentioned the problem in friendly eastern South Dakota was actually reversed.

The poor old C&NW was going down, & when he'd try to get a side-view picture of a GP7 (louvers on all the doors, panels changed from original in various shoppings over the years), when the cab-crew saw what was going on, they'd all come out on the cat-walk, wave & pose, blocking the view.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: hwyhaulier on July 21, 2015, 08:11:45 AM
NHRS - Rob - Lodge Members -

OK! When dealing with off the walls characters, many with paranoia. In a very careful use of
language, so that one cannot be accused of impersonating law enforcement, simply to say...

"...Nothing to see here, friend. Shouldn't say, but activity part of a continuing investigation.
Just alerted my office that some backup may be needed here
..."

Might work? <G> When most of these noisome characters in the field given to paranoia... <G>

Also Ref.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsntlJZ9h1U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsntlJZ9h1U)

.............................Vern......................
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: NHRS on July 21, 2015, 10:31:33 AM
NHRS - Rob - Lodge Members -

OK! When dealing with off the walls characters, many with paranoia. In a very careful use of
language, so that one cannot be accused of impersonating law enforcement, simply to say...

"...Nothing to see here, friend. Shouldn't say, but activity part of a continuing investigation.
Just alerted my office that some backup may be needed here
..."

Might work? <G> When most of these noisome characters in the field given to paranoia... <G>

Also Ref.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsntlJZ9h1U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsntlJZ9h1U)

.............................Vern......................
 

!0-4!  In the useless era of "truck strikes" when loser individuals hung out at truck stops, challenged those still running or trying to get home, never did this but wanted to Placard trailer, dismount wearing ear-phones, carrying a Geiger-counter, ignore their in-your-face presence & attitude, walk around the trailer, then with disgust, shout "S---!"

 Then ask, "You wanta let me fuel, or want a decontamination crew summoned? Another 20 minutes standing here, & they won't let you go home tonight!"

Being that their activity had already revealed their IQ level, sure would have been fun to pull their chain.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: wayne_crane on July 21, 2015, 11:13:57 AM
Rob should have  told you about the comment the driver said to as i was talking to him  '' he said it was Mexico all over again  my response what does Mexico have to do with Canada and me taking truck photos he then started driving away while at the same time i notice a office employee from Robert standing near a gate watching all this go down  he even started walking towards us but stop and turned around went back to his gate that ' s when Rob and I left  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: partsman88 on July 21, 2015, 05:09:20 PM
Thanks for the support guys. If you want to see the closest impersonation to this guy that I can think of, check out this classic scene from a movie I liked as a kid:

https://youtu.be/s_Wz3ASjFoY?t=110

I should've just started talking into my wrist/neck just to make him a little more suspicious. I mentioned it to my dad (a local driver) last night and he said the guy was probably suspicious because DOT has a large presence in the area. Apparently someone makes a lot of complaints about the old beat up dump trucks that are always picking up a load, so he wouldn't be surprised if all the daily truckers that come through think it's me.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: partsman88 on September 04, 2015, 08:03:41 AM
Not sure how to type this, I am struggling internally on this one. Let me start by saying as someone who is very self-aware, I know a lot of people's first impressions of me are either "this guy looks like a killer clown out of a Rob Zombie horror movie" or something along the lines of me being intimidating. Which I understand, I'm over 6 feet, pretty overweight, even though I'm relatively young I shave my head because of my MPB and I also have rocked a beard for the last 2 1/2 years. So yeah, I can understand how me sitting on the side of the highway taking pictures might concern some people. Even though my friends and family have always been supportive once they've gotten to know me I can understand people's first impression might be that I'm hostile in some way, it's just the look I give off. Short of losing some weight and shaving the beard off (which I would hate to do because it's something I hold near and dear to my heart) I'm not sure of many other ways to change that. Which leads me to the next part of my story.

Today, no less than 5 Virginia State Troopers showed up to inform me my presence along 95 south of DC is scaring people, to the point they've received multiple reports. To his credit, the officer that talked to me was friendly, but all the same I am relatively harmless. I don't carry weapons, I have no desire to fight anyone or do anything to hurt anyone. The reason I am so disappointed about this is because I have scouted many locations of a 10 mile stretch of highway and so far I have only found 2 spots suitable for taking shots, and the one I was at was by far the best because the variety and consistency of trucks that come through there. The other spot was right across the highway at the southbound side rest station, which I assume I can't go back there either because it's not hard to spot a huge guy sitting in an open patch of grass with his camera pointed at the open highway. Way to go people. Just because the things I like don't fit into everyone's cookie cutter lifestyle doesn't mean what I'm doing is dangerous or done with ill will. So, with all that being said, once I get my pictures in order I will share them with everyone, but I'm done (Also apologies for having been here at least 2 months and not sharing any shots yet. Initially my first shots were terrible, but I had recently reached a point where I felt my shots were worthy of being shared). Apparently taking pictures 25 miles south of the most security conscious city on the planet is just too much for people to handle.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/38.6190067,-77.2968835/Interstate+95,+Woodbridge,+VA+22191/@38.6197868,-77.3029551,2722m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m8!4m7!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b6f8af6c02b641:0x57ba4ccc75cd4c18!2m2!1d-77.2968237!2d38.6196721

Just so you guys have an idea of where I was. I have looked at spots everywhere from Dale City to Alexandria and since parking your car on the shoulder is illegal the rest areas have been my best options.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: hank on September 04, 2015, 10:09:10 AM
That's really too bad when that happens. One day I was out at the overpass, where is use to shoot during my lunch hour. A guy comes up on a pickup and walks over to me and asked what I'm doing. I told him that I'm taking pictures of trucks passing by. He told me he didn't like me out there because his house was across the freeway from where I was shooting pictures. He has some university girls boarding at his house and they were worried that I was spying on them. The lens I was using was short and even my strongest lens could reach anything at his house, which was almost 3/4 of a mile away. I told him he had nothing to worry about and he left. But from that day on, I was almost expecting a visit from the police to chase me away. But it never happened.

These days it just seems that anyone along the side of the road with a camera is considered a terrorist. If people only realized that is so far from the truth.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Greg_E on September 04, 2015, 11:30:25 AM
Only place Ive ever been told not to return was the Indiana Toll Road, and that was because a trooper told us it was private property. However another just told us not to get as close to the highway. I figure a lot of law enforcement officers just dont want to deal with this since its so rare.

Every other place Ive met someone at, and there are quite a few, Ive still gone back to take pictures. When I actually have time anymore, that is!
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Mister TyZo on September 04, 2015, 11:32:51 AM
 ;) It's Unfortunate circumstances have led to People getting out of sorts over it..  Just taking the feeling of "Invading Someone's Privacy" to a whole new level.. Some Trucking Companies now have onboard camera's that are focused on the Driver , which are set to only turn on when Brakes are Applied somewhat out of the ordinary, if you will.. In my Past Life the subject of Camera's Recording activity on the Busses was always a touchy issue.. That today is being addressed and yes it does have it's good & bad.. Just Saying.  8)
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: partsman88 on September 04, 2015, 11:51:17 AM
That's really too bad when that happens. One day I was out at the overpass, where is use to shoot during my lunch hour. A guy comes up on a pickup and walks over to me and asked what I'm doing. I told him that I'm taking pictures of trucks passing by. He told me he didn't like me out there because his house was across the freeway from where I was shooting pictures. He has some university girls boarding at his house and they were worried that I was spying on them. The lens I was using was short and even my strongest lens could reach anything at his house, which was almost 3/4 of a mile away. I told him he had nothing to worry about and he left. But from that day on, I was almost expecting a visit from the police to chase me away. But it never happened.

These days it just seems that anyone along the side of the road with a camera is considered a terrorist. If people only realized that is so far from the truth.

Yep. It's a damn shame. I really want to continue doing this because I felt like I was just starting to get the hang of it but I don't have any options. I can't do it from overpasses because they are all fenced in and covered in trees/shrubs on the sides, and I really don't want to stray too far from my work-home route.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: norseman on September 04, 2015, 12:52:01 PM
That sucks, reeks and blows.  >:( :'(

Jan.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: charlie on September 04, 2015, 01:36:17 PM
That sucks, reeks and blows.  >:( :'(

Jan.
X2.......big time!!! :( >:( Seems the train, plane & ship guys can get away with enjoying their hobby with impunity while we truck fans are mistaken for "terrorists" at worst and wierdos at best. Something's gotta change here so we get the same respect and are free to enjoy what we like to do.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: The Fugitive on September 04, 2015, 01:51:52 PM
Hear Hear Charlie.       Bob.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: partsman88 on September 04, 2015, 03:15:34 PM
That sucks, reeks and blows.  >:( :'(

Jan.
X2.......big time!!! :( >:( Seems the train, plane & ship guys can get away with enjoying their hobby with impunity while we truck fans are mistaken for "terrorists" at worst and wierdos at best. Something's gotta change here so we get the same respect and are free to enjoy what we like to do.

Yup! The other weekend I was at a park across from Reagan Nat'l Airport planespotting with a friend. It's insane that we were basically doing the same thing there that I do with trucks and yet nobody gets weird about you taking pictures of planes coming and going. I've also gone train spotting as well and even though it's not as popular as plane spotting people still are generally ok about it. I just wish there was a spot I could sit at, out in the open, with no pretenses as to what I was doing, that I could get good shots and not have to worry about having the cops show up.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: charlie on September 04, 2015, 03:44:42 PM
If you have a favorite spot or two consider checking in with the local Police Department that covers that area beforehand..........let them know what you'll be doing & tell them it's a hobby that you enjoy and just want to let them know before they receive a call from a "concerned" citizen. I've done this in the past.............doesn't hurt.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Iowa80 on September 04, 2015, 06:50:02 PM
I'm really, really sorry to hear about your situation, mooby346. :(  Personally I've experienced a couple times when a civilian, usually one who lives close to where I was taking pictures that day, would come up to me and politely ask me what I was doing.  I can understand this as someone standing by the highway taking pictures isn't something you see everyday.  Usually after giving them the spiel about it being a hobby and whatnot, they were fine with me being there although once I was asked to move across the street.  I only had a cop show up once, because apparently they had gotten some reports of my presence.  In addition to obviously asking what I was doing, they asked other questions such as how long to I plan to stay, my address, and also took my name and ID to run it through the computer in their car.  However, when it was all said and done they let me stay there and take pictures.

I don't understand how you could reasonably be considered a terrorist by standing next to the highway taking pictures - even if it does look a bit odd, what harm could you do with just your camera?  At worst people would think you're spying on nearby buildings like Hank said.  However, Charlie and Mooby do have a point that you can get away with taking pictures of other types of vehicles but not trucks, but I can't think of why this is.

Let me just say I agree with you guys 110% on what you've said here, and Jan said it well, that this sucks, reeks, and blows. >:(
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Paul Kane on September 04, 2015, 07:30:55 PM
Funny thing, back at the end of July, I spent a good three hours right along side of no less than four state troopers conducting oversize load vehicle inspections at the PA welcome center on 80, often within "spittin distance."  They were already there when I arrived, but there was no way in h*ll after driving all that way I wasn't going to shoot, so I just got the camera out and did my thing.  At one point, after I had been there for a while, one of the officers came over and very friendly like asked me if I was taking pictures for advertising, and I said no and gave him the hobby spiel and explained I've been coming to this spot for years, he was cool with it, and that was that.

(http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx271/class8repro/DSC_9779_zpsvdhyyjta.jpg)

(http://i763.photobucket.com/albums/xx271/class8repro/Oversize/DSC_9763_zpsizredf3p.jpg)
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: partsman88 on September 04, 2015, 08:45:42 PM
If you have a favorite spot or two consider checking in with the local Police Department that covers that area beforehand..........let them know what you'll be doing & tell them it's a hobby that you enjoy and just want to let them know before they receive a call from a "concerned" citizen. I've done this in the past.............doesn't hurt.

This is some solid advice, even though I'm going to give it some time I don't want to give up this hobby because people are paranoid. I was very overwhelmed by the police presence today, originally I thought one cop had pulled up because he immediately hit the lights and pulled over as soon as he saw me. Then he approached me (I was already putting my camera away by then because I knew what he was there for) and after he started talking to me I saw a shadow and glanced over my shoulder to see another cop dressed in full tactical gear standing behind me. The cop behind me had actually pulled over further up the highway and then stood there silently the whole time, like he was expecting me to run or fight or something. It scared the shit out of me. Then 3 more cruisers pulled up, one behind the other, until it felt like half the VSP was parked on the side of the highway. The cop I dealt with was cool about it, I told him it was a hobby, mentioned I was going to put them online, he asked where (I feel it was out of curiosity, and not out of "maybe we should investigate this site") and I mentioned the site. I asked him if I could grab a shot of all the cruisers and he said no, so I left. He did not say there was any legal issue with what I was doing, just that it looked bad because I was sitting in a patch of grass that was over a foot tall, almost like I was trying to be inconspicuous. Quick question though, when you guys go do you wear bright colors so that people won't be too paranoid or do you just try to blend in? I feel like wearing colors that stand out might help my case.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Paul Kane on September 04, 2015, 09:29:18 PM
This sounds odd to me, were you literally "sitting" in that tall grass, and was it out of the way of where someone might walk (like with their dog, or to stretch?).  I could see where that might look suspicious.

I've spent well over thirty years shooting roadside, mostly rest areas and service plazas, or some other public space (I'm hesitant to do overpasses).  I've never had any confrontations, and, since most spots I'm pacing along the front of the truck parking, am amazed at how many drivers give me a friendly wave as they pull out.

I have had two "encounters" in recent years, one where a PA state cop came by based on someone's report (he was kind of annoyed with that after finding out what I was doing), and another where homeland security was called, but earlier we had shot a truck hauling military equipment, and also a TSMT explosives hauler, so I suspect it was the latter.  The state cop that handled that one also had no issue with us.

Numerous times someone has walked over just to ask a friendly question as to what I was taking pictures of.  That's usually cool, one was a Kinard driver and we got to talking about his company and their Superliner they had a the time.

I don't know if this makes sense, but in general you want to be "conspicuously inconspicuous," in other words, don't go out of your way to draw attention to yourself, but remain open about what you're doing, stay out front and center, and don't don't try and be sneaky with the camera.  If anyone has a problem, eff'em, because you have the right to shoot from public property.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: partsman88 on September 05, 2015, 08:03:45 AM
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/38.6190067,-77.2968835/Interstate+95,+Woodbridge,+VA+22191/@38.6197868,-77.3029551,2722m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m8!4m7!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b6f8af6c02b641:0x57ba4ccc75cd4c18!2m2!1d-77.2968237!2d38.6196721

If you look at the street view of 95, I was sitting on the top of the small hill separating the rest area from the shoulder, right at the very beginning where the tree line ends. The grass is pretty tall because they don't mow the area I sat in, but I'm also a pretty big guy so I feel if people were looking it shouldn't be hard to notice me. I don't set up a lawn chair or anything, I usually just sit on the grass. I can understand if people think it is suspicious, but I always bring a hat with me (in yesterday's case it was a red and gray hat) so I'm not blending in.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: NHRS on September 05, 2015, 09:26:06 PM
Been in the age of terminal over-reaction ever since the late 80's. From my observations, with wonderful rare exceptions, development toward full adulthood has stopped at the 5th grade level for some time now.

Don't even hafta have a camera. Just be someplace where nobody's seen you before, doesn't have a brain big enough to realize (or care) that you have a very legitimate reason to be there, so it's immediately 911-time.

Case in point-    First drop ever, about 5 or 6 pallets of frozen Okra for early AM delivery on the college-campus, Norman Oklahoma, about 8PM dark winter evening. Find the campus easy enough, but the warehouse for the food-service has an address that disappears, everytime I idle over to the location where logic demanded that it should be. Spend a lifetime looking for addresses, usually in the dark, & this ain't working here.

Finally give up, did find a decent place to park, 4-ways on, dismount, lock the cab, & begin recon on foot, BUT carrying my BOL's, which is like having a passport for these over-reaction conditions.

Sure enough, about 10 minutes in my foot patrol adventure, here comes law enforcement, & we were both very glad to meet each other. Yes, he got the "I'm scared! A prowler is walking around my building!" call. Lucky for me, he's a very nice intelligent officer. I display my BOL's, point to my truck with the flashing 4-ways, & the BS-address on those BOL's. He answers as he nods, "Only in Norman!"

Yeah, Norman campus has a slight problem with logic as regards consecutive numbers for houses, buildings, which this officer was up to speed on, & I was soon to be also.

In this day & age of boggy-man extreme, expect the worst, hope for the best, & stay out in plain sight (so nobody can say you're sneaking around, although once embarrassed, they'll justify their stupidity by saying that). And, if you look more like Ron Pearlman than Rick Moranis, you'll have more problems. Get used to it.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: hwyhaulier on September 06, 2015, 08:33:02 AM
NHRS - Lodge Members -

Good commentary.

Consider this? What the trucks do every day, the ladies and gentlemen see everything. By now, we should all know
the Accident Report scorecards place the causes on unthinking types in four wheelers. Or, at least in many cases.

So, to pose a question here?  We might all be a lot better if that, where a braindead four wheeler in the traffic, the
operator of the "heavy" should simply call it in to local Police? Might work? Might help promoting images of the real
"pro" operators of the heavies?

................................Vern..........................
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: werkhorse on September 07, 2015, 03:47:28 AM
Have any of you guys ever thought of making up a smallish sign with ... Say .... Truck photographer or something like that .... And sit it in view of drivers coming and going ?
Maybe folks might not get so startled at you guys being about
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: NHRS on September 07, 2015, 10:38:40 AM
Doubt much if would be helpful.

Results in calling attention to oneself (my lifetime experience, incognito has far more advantages that spotlight). 95% of population won't ever notice. No need whatsoever to demand their attention.

Wanta-be conspiracy-lovers won't believe your sign anyway, since they've already flunked reality.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: TWP on September 07, 2015, 11:58:40 AM
I'll go with, most people don't even notice





It's asking a little much of the general public to actually notice a sign..isn't it??

Maybe just a nice Hanks Truck Pictures Membership hat and a hi-vis vest!

-Ted












Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: norseman on September 07, 2015, 12:01:50 PM
The high-vis vest might actually be an idea. That way people might figure there's some "official reason" for one's being there... ;)

Jan.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: charlie on September 12, 2015, 08:14:19 AM
The high-vis vest might actually be an idea. That way people might figure there's some "official reason" for one's being there... ;)

Jan.
I thought of this the other day while gassing up the 4 wheeler. People get all bent out of shape & LEOs have to be called for 1 person standing by the road & snapping pics. Meanwhile GOOGLE cars roam the continent taking photos of everything & anybody in sight and no one says a word or has a problem with that. ???
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Farmer13 on November 23, 2015, 05:42:30 PM
The Biggest Confrontation I have had, is Why am I taking truck picture's, after a driver is some where's around and I didn't notice him, I explain to who I am and what I'm up to and they are okay with it, If I see the driver I ask permission first and have never been turned down yet, But, My buddy Lance Cormier on other hand, hasn't been as lucky, He's the same way I am, but, he's had 4 incidents, the first one was at Dysarts in Bangor, ME where he didn't notice a driver inside the cab of the truck and the driver came out very upset and yelling, He Told him what he was up to and said he was sorry and the driver said it was fine to keep that picture, The Second Time was at a broccoli plant called Cyr Brothers, in Caribou, ME on the Washburn road that shares a building with catholic charities, that one involved the authorities being called on him, they told Lance it was private property, After the people were being very rude and upset and Lance told them what he was up to, even with the drivers consent to take picture's of their trucks, They accused him of stealing DOT Numbers to later steal the trucks and Called the Cops on him, although they couldn't press charges against Lance, Because, he told the authorities there was no Private Property Sign's posted on the area, So, How was he suppose to know, The Cop said there was nothing he could do because of it, A Simple Warning for Lance would of been nice, The Third one was in Delaware, where he didn't notice a driver and he was a good size person, yelling and looked like it was going to turn ugly and physical until after someone else helped him out, to tell the driver who he was, After the driver calmed down, he polity asked Lance to remove the picture of his truck and Lance did so, Lance also said, he never noticed the driver in his truck, Although he accused Lance of being a government scam, because, he was taking truck picture's, The last one happened up in Madawaska and Lance asked a simple question to take and the reply he got from the driver was go screw yourself, All of these incidents happen in the year's of 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015, Otherwise he said he's been questioned, but, always told them what he was up to and said the drivers were okay with it and never once asked him to removed the picture's of their trucks and they always also asked polity, he always told them what he was up to, But, besides the 3 guy's of where the incident took place in this state, Maine seems to be the only state that seems to be okay with it on the east coast, But, On a side note, Lance know's alot of people and truck drivers in this state, so...
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Blue Mule74 on November 26, 2015, 12:32:51 AM
The one where the cop's got called on me wasn't a fun one...
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: tery on January 06, 2016, 12:12:53 PM
Not A Confrontation : But from a drivers experience at times when I saw someone taking my picture I had no idea who they were or why they were taking a photo of my truck . I assumed that they were working for Markel , or the carriers  insurance company . It was very inconvenient especially when I was just pulling out of a truck stop . I would note the time and then stop as soon as possible to make sure my log book matched that time at that location . Sometimes it was not possible and I expected at the least that I would receive a written reprimand or be called into the Safety Dept. I had no idea that there were truck enthusiasts or a website like Hanks ! ..... lol
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: partsman88 on January 07, 2016, 07:11:45 PM
This might be common knowledge for you guys but I am definitely not willing to drive through truck yards anymore lol. I was out on New Years Day doing a couple errands and decided to check out a yard full of old beaters nearby. It was mostly old beaters but it did have several beautiful rigs in there, so I took a few pictures (I thought I was by myself in the yard - terrible idea in all honesty given it was a large yard) and when I circled back around to head out this guy walked out from a old beat up FL Columbia tanker hauler that I snapped a shot of earlier) and gave me the what for. My go to in situations like that is to be totally honest and explain what I'm doing, the site, and even delete the pics if they want me to. Well the whole time this guy is chewing me out he's mentioning it's against federal law to take pictures of gas tankers. Idk if that's true or not but I'm not going through any more yards because it is just inviting trouble, there are always people in it (even at 11 am on New Year's Day) and I'm pretty sure I can get a ticket for trespassing if they do call the cops.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Blue Mule74 on January 10, 2016, 10:54:47 PM
This might be common knowledge for you guys but I am definitely not willing to drive through truck yards anymore lol. I was out on New Years Day doing a couple errands and decided to check out a yard full of old beaters nearby. It was mostly old beaters but it did have several beautiful rigs in there, so I took a few pictures (I thought I was by myself in the yard - terrible idea in all honesty given it was a large yard) and when I circled back around to head out this guy walked out from a old beat up FL Columbia tanker hauler that I snapped a shot of earlier) and gave me the what for. My go to in situations like that is to be totally honest and explain what I'm doing, the site, and even delete the pics if they want me to. Well the whole time this guy is chewing me out he's mentioning it's against federal law to take pictures of gas tankers. Idk if that's true or not but I'm not going through any more yards because it is just inviting trouble, there are always people in it (even at 11 am on New Year's Day) and I'm pretty sure I can get a ticket for trespassing if they do call the cops.

It happens, For me, I live in Maine and alot of people know my father as a driver, so, it's easy for me to just have my dad call the company, before I go and ask for permission of what I want to do and that is in reality take picture's of their trucks, Or I call the ahead myself, If I'll be in the area ask, If I can get a phone number, Or If I see cars there I'll go in and ask first, I did that when I went to the Midland Terminal in Fredericton last Monday, I told them what I as there for and they said it'd be okay, If I see No Trespassing Sign's I won't go to that area, But, If I don't see those I'll go and take picture's, If I see no one there and If someone comes out, I'll explain to them what I am up to and say, If the cop's get called, I'll tell them the same thing and say I saw no Trespassing Signs, So, What can they do, If They bring you in for Trespassing or ticket you, When There is no Sign's up, Than, They are at fault and you can bring that to court
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Paul Kane on January 11, 2016, 07:26:18 AM
I don't know the full legalities of it, but sign or not, it's still private property and you could be held accountable for trespassing.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: partsman88 on January 11, 2016, 07:45:47 PM
Pretty much. Just not worth risking it anymore imo. There's something about living 25 miles south of the most security conscious place on Earth that makes people extremely suspicious if they see you doing anything out of the ordinary.  It doesn't matter where I'm at or what I'm doing, if I pull the camera out people instantly get suspicious. Photography is apparently a crime around my parts.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: charlie on January 11, 2016, 07:54:30 PM
I don't know the full legalities of it, but sign or not, it's still private property and you could be held accountable for trespassing.
Paul

 Don't tell me you've given up on the I thought this was the McDonalds drive thru line defense? ??? ;D
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Blue Mule74 on January 14, 2016, 12:11:42 AM
Pretty much. Just not worth risking it anymore imo. There's something about living 25 miles south of the most security conscious place on Earth that makes people extremely suspicious if they see you doing anything out of the ordinary.  It doesn't matter where I'm at or what I'm doing, if I pull the camera out people instantly get suspicious. Photography is apparently a crime around my parts.

Some area's are bad for it, Some Area's are good for it, I am lucky that when ever I went some where either in this state or around the New Brunswick Canada to go to someone's fleet and take picture's they were kind enough to let me do it, other people haven't had as much luck as I have had, Although one time back in August of 2013, I did get the cop's called on me, That's why at times, When I take picture's, I do it as quick as I can and than get out of where I am at
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: The Fugitive on January 16, 2016, 01:19:50 PM
Mooby. Dont let them grind you down It is your hobby so keep taking more pictures.      Bob.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: wayne_crane on January 16, 2016, 02:52:36 PM
Had one happen back in Sept pass while taken photos at Morrisburg a OPP Officer stop my friend and was asking him what he was while i was out back taken photos of the  trucks that were parked on the way to go to Tim Hortons i notice my friend and officer there near the entrance as i got closer the office turned and ask me my name i told him and he proceed to ask me what i was doing were  was i from after explaining it to him he look at both of us as we watching the trucks roll by in both direction then out of no were he made a commet isn't that big one '' FLD Atlas drom'' then he smiled then he proceed to tell us he was going to inform the dispatch and other opp division in the area that we are only taken truck pictures and not doing any harm then bought us a coffee
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: partsman88 on January 16, 2016, 04:57:52 PM
Mooby. Dont let them grind you down It is your hobby so keep taking more pictures.      Bob.

Thanks man. It is frustrating but I haven't gotten totally discouraged yet. For me the most frustrating part is how little time I have, I've been working 6 days a week since October. I still find time to grab pictures on my lunch breaks and occasionally after work but I never have time to clean them up and upload them here. I actually bought a safety vest and have been wearing it the last 4 times I was on the side of 395/495 during my lunch break and I feel it's helping, a ton of people still see me (unavoidable in this area LOL) yet they all have left me alone. Even had a couple cops cruise by slowly on the highway like they're scoping me out (both spots I just found are in parking garages) and yet nobody has interrupted me. I don't think I'm in the clear yet but if anybody is weird the safety vest will help my case.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: hwyhaulier on January 17, 2016, 01:24:01 PM
mooby - Lodge Members -

Agree! Don't let 'em grind you down. The safety vest surely part of a good plan. The vest creates perceptions by others.
That is, the vest wearer must be with Highway Dept, the Utility Companies and who knows what else.

Note your writer based in Northeast (Harford County, precisely) MD. Well aware of various sites between here and in to
DC and Northern VA. The 'party line' being such sites cannot be confirmed or denied. They may, or may not even exist...

..............................Vern.............................
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: wbache on January 18, 2016, 06:10:27 PM
I have had encounters with the law and others but with the exception of the Mall and other places that grant public access I do all my shots on public property which might not eliminate questionable interviews but it is established that with few exceptions such as military installations photography on public property is legal. there are no truck stops around here but I would not take pictures there except from a spot off site such as where vehicles enter and exit. In the present time where almost everyone has  or can have a camera in their phone it is understood that most prohibitions in public places are not effective. If you are a veteran it doesn't hurt to wear the appropriate baseball cap.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Mike Berka on January 22, 2016, 01:37:55 AM
Hi Vern, Walt, and others. I never really had any trouble, but a little more than a year ago, I was at a truck stop and I saw a Swift truck that caught my attention. The driver was in the truck, but I thought nothing of it. I wrote the trailer number down, and was taking a photo of the truck, when the driver popped out and asked me what I was doing. I told him that I like Swift, and I like taking photos of Swift trucks and trailers. He also told me that he saw me writing something down. I told him that I collect trailer numbers, and he told me that he didn't believe me. I showed him the number that I wrote down, and then I told him about the trailer. I also told him about the year that his tractor was built. When he saw that I was serious, and knew what I was talking about, things were better.

Do trucking companies send people out to spy on drivers? I wonder if this person thought that maybe I was watching him, and writing things down to report to the company? Last year in the spring, Mom, Dad, and myself were coming back from St. Louis, and we always stop off in Bloomington (Illinois) for lunch. The place where we stop, there's a small lot there, where some trucks are usually parked. There was a J B Hunt parked there, and it had a new at the time trailer, where I can tell by the number that I could use it for when it was built. I didn't see the driver in the truck, and I wanted to walk over there just to see the date, because the trailer was a Wabash National, where the plate would be a snap to read. I could just walk by and look and that's it.

I didn't walk over there though, because there was another truck parked right next to it, and there were two people in the truck. I was worried that if I walked over to the J B Hunt to take a look, and then turn around and head back to the car, I wonder if the people in the truck might have had a camera and tried to get the license plate off of the car, and then give the number to the J B Hunt driver and tell him that someone walked over to his truck and looked at something, and walked away. If that happened, I don't know how the J B Hunt driver would react, and if he would give that information to his boss, and then the next thing you know, someone from J B Hunt is calling Mom and Dad about someone looking at something on their truck and why were they doing that.

I don't know if that would happen, or if I'm nuts or paranoid, but you never know what someone will do, and you never know who is watching you. On You Tube, I see truck drivers at a truck stop parked with their camera rolling, and making fun of another driver and the company that they work for, who is having a hard time backing into a spot. I also see the same thing with a driver making fun of another driver who might have had an accident, or who got stuck, and has them on video. As for me personally though, most of my photos are of containers or trailers, where I don't have to worry about drivers too much.

I will admit though, that I like doing as much J B Hunt and Swift spotting on my bicycle as I can, or even on foot.  I have several locations within a 1-8 mile radius of my house, and I just feel safer riding to these places, as for if someone does see me, there's no license plate to record. I'm not sure if anything would happen, but you just never know who is watching. Also, does anyone here live close to places where they can bike? Does anyone sometimes have the same worries as me? Even if I go to a Home Depot or Costco to write down some trailer numbers or take a photo, I look around for employees or if someone is watching me. Again, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, or maybe I worry too much, or maybe I'm paranoid.  Thank you, and this is an interesting topic.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: tery on January 22, 2016, 06:42:17 AM
Something to consider - The driver may be hauling a high value cargo such as whiskey or cigarettes .
A driver always has to be aware of their surroundings . There are hijackers out there . Drivers also get mugged , robbed and even killed .
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: hwyhaulier on January 22, 2016, 02:38:42 PM
Mike - tery - Lodge Members -

No one asked me, but... Looks like you have a healthy and cautious attitude, Mike, about your interests. The way
the business operates, your writer doubts any particular company has roaming "spies" out on the road, checking
on the fleet equipment. In the Bad, Old Days, some of the larger LTL Carrier group did have on the road, Safety
Supervisors checking around. Today's budgets being what they are, doubtful there is now much of the activity...

Remarks from tery do note his thinking about most "high value" cargo loads. Why it is wise not to talk about
what is on one's truck, and run it like a "secret operation". Thieves are everywhere. Best to restrain loose talk...

...............................Vern.......................
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Paul Kane on January 22, 2016, 03:17:42 PM
I have to disagree Vern, I can't believe he'd walk up to an occupied truck, on private property none the less, and write down vehicle information and take pictures without even talking to the driver first.
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: hwyhaulier on January 23, 2016, 09:18:19 AM
Paul - Lodge Members -

Are you quite sure you meant to state "disagree"? Your writer has no issues with wandering onto
private property, provided one checks in and explains presence. Also, by now, most here must
appreciate one should not surprise a truck owner operator. Better to explain one's self up front.
Should that not work, then, give it up. Ain't worth the possible aggravation!

................................Vern..............................
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: NHRS on January 23, 2016, 07:54:13 PM
Far different world now, than 30-40 years back. It appears there's a short time-period in childhood, when it's well documented that learning another language or 2 is easy. After that, struggle hard or forget about it.

From present day observation, learning character & responsibility my well be the same way. You might have still been raised to appreciate those values, but the consensus hasn't, so few will give anybody they don't already know, the benefit of the doubt. And, the math on this one's on their side.

Also, most from the era of character & responsibility are now retired or passed on, so it's mostly total paranoid-city for those charged with keeping the area of their responsibility safe.

Back in late 70's, a model-railroad pal of mine was in LA for an insurance convention (which he left rather down-hearted at the seminars. Insurance companies wanted to milk cancer for profit rather than cure it, even to the point of being pissed at Salk for curing polio). On Saturday after picking my pal up, we headed down to Amtrak's coach yard by LA Union Station, parked my Pete, & began walking around, cameras obvious. We were soon hailed by an employee, & explained our presence (Amtrak had many of the beautiful CZ Budd cars there). All he wanted was, for us to sign-in, & check out hard-hats. Then he told us to have a nice day, bring the hard-hats back, & watch for vagrants in the yard.

Wanta try doing that now, in the present-day world? Yeah, right!
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: Blue Mule74 on March 13, 2016, 12:23:32 AM
Far different world now, than 30-40 years back. It appears there's a short time-period in childhood, when it's well documented that learning another language or 2 is easy. After that, struggle hard or forget about it.

From present day observation, learning character & responsibility my well be the same way. You might have still been raised to appreciate those values, but the consensus hasn't, so few will give anybody they don't already know, the benefit of the doubt. And, the math on this one's on their side.

Also, most from the era of character & responsibility are now retired or passed on, so it's mostly total paranoid-city for those charged with keeping the area of their responsibility safe.

Back in late 70's, a model-railroad pal of mine was in LA for an insurance convention (which he left rather down-hearted at the seminars. Insurance companies wanted to milk cancer for profit rather than cure it, even to the point of being pissed at Salk for curing polio). On Saturday after picking my pal up, we headed down to Amtrak's coach yard by LA Union Station, parked my Pete, & began walking around, cameras obvious. We were soon hailed by an employee, & explained our presence (Amtrak had many of the beautiful CZ Budd cars there). All he wanted was, for us to sign-in, & check out hard-hats. Then he told us to have a nice day, bring the hard-hats back, & watch for vagrants in the yard.

Wanta try doing that now, in the present-day world? Yeah, right!

It's happened for me before, But, I live in Maine and go into Canada, where it's really calm over here, so, most times it isn't a big issue, But, there's been a few times, as far as the driver, If I see a driver I always ask for permission first, If I don't see a driver, I'll look around for one first and If I can't find one, I'll take a picture and than leave
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: RobG on March 29, 2016, 09:33:24 PM
While not a confrontation I had something happen to me for the first time ever.I thought it was kind of funny.While travelling through a small town in Alberta I see this very nice Peterbilt with a set of grain trailers parked.So I do a quick park and head over with my camera.Nobody around so I proceed to take a bunch of pictures.While I am doing this the owner comes up.No problem he is nice enough.I tell him I take pictures as a hobby and post them on a forum and Instagram.He tells me that it is ok that I keep the pictures but I can't post them anywhere.OK I say but why ?.He tells me that is how people steal work.He says his truck is very well known and if people know where he is they will steal his work.I felt like telling him he should visit Star Trek and borrow their cloaking device because if I can see him so can everyone else.I will respect his wishers and not post the pictures,which is a real shame because it is a nice truck.Afterward I am talking to a friend of mine that does the same type of work.He informs me the company this guy is pulling for is the worst for under cutting and stealing work.I guess that is the root of this guy's paranoia .
Title: Re: Confrontations
Post by: TWP on March 29, 2016, 10:07:49 PM
More like he doesn't want to be spotted where he shouldn't be!